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Biffo The Bear said:
Fair enough. Who are the richest club then?
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Why does it matter u silly twat.

u clearly are of the opinion that Newcastle are.
If so, so fuck well done. There’s nowt we can do.
Why don’t u fuck off onto any other platform than a Sunderland one and enjoy what might be the best few days of ya life so far ???

I will never ever understand mags coming on this board and arguing about shite little details as regards to signings, matches, whatever it may be.

me personally my message to u would be log off for a bit, enjoy yaself and let Sunderland be Sunderland.
we have fuck all to do with ya takeover and I’d bet 99% of safc fans are sick to death of yous already and it’s only been 24 hours.

night night and again fuck off u black and white bastards
 

They're a match made in heaven and it will all end in tears. All I see is another consortium with more money than sense looking for a status symbol and a vehicle their new form of diplomacy, but the game has moved on since 2004 and 2008 and simply throwing money at everything won't work, not that they appear intent on spending too much anyway. They'll get some investment in the area but I don't see it being a million miles away from Short's approach and look how that ended.

Just wait for their reaction when their first megastar is Aaron Ramsey and not Alf Haaland. Anyone that has looked into the detail of this knows that it's not going to be another Manchester City or Chelsea. They might be an Aston Villa at best, and perhaps that's something for them.
 
TeamOfTalents said:
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Try this
Easily the best article I've read about the take over, sorry for the lack of paragraphs its a direct cut & paste


In John Osborne’s 1957 play The Entertainer, the fading old music-hall performer Archie Rice becomes the symbol of a fading old Britain. Rice boasts, pathetically: “I’ve played in front of them all. The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales, and the . . . what was the name of that other pub?” Anyone wanting to portray Britain today would use another image: a failing cash-strapped football club, which has won nothing for decades, selling its last remaining asset, its heritage, to a rich murderous foreign dictatorship. The £300m sale of Newcastle United to a consortium led by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund has been treated as an emblem of English football’s moral descent. But why single out football when the malaise is national? Whereas American robber barons used to buy newspapers and endow art museums, today’s sheikhs and oligarchs buy status through football. Rulers of states have been getting into the sport since 2008, when Abu Dhabi’s royal family took over Manchester City. Saudi Arabia was late to this game, watching in envy as its enemy Qatar sportswashed its reputation. The mini-state was chosen to host the World Cup 2022, and bought Paris Saint-Germain, where it has collected trophy footballers including Lionel Messi himself. The Saudis tried various routes into football. In 2018, Saudi and Emirati money was central to the offer of $25bn — fronted by Japanese tech conglomerate SoftBank — to create two new international tournaments, a revamped club World Cup and a global Nations League. Fifa’s president Gianni Infantino correctly called it “the — by far — highest investment football has ever seen”. But the plans failed, as did Saudi Arabia’s attempt to grab a slice of Qatar’s World Cup. That left Newcastle. Amanda Staveley, the British financier who helped broker the takeover, ludicrously argues that sportswashing isn’t buying a club threatened by relegation. In fact, sportswashing is using oil money to turn around a club threatened by relegation so that people come to associate your country’s name with footballing success rather than, say, the bonesaw murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Anyone surprised that Britain welcomes such shady money hasn’t been paying attention. Just take a walk around Mayfair or Kensington. London today overflows with wealth managers, libel lawyers, estate agents, public relations advisers, luxury-goods sellers, public-school headmasters and art dealers, some of whom make their living servicing rich criminals. These enablers see themselves as neutral, highly skilled professionals who (most of the time, anyway) work within the law. There’s a reason why Roberto Saviano, the Italian expert on the mafia, calls Britain “the most corrupt country in the world”. The rot goes all the way to the top. Just look at the photograph last year of former prime minister David Cameron, sitting in a tent dressed, incongruously, in a suit, on a camping trip with his then business partner Lex Greensill to woo Saudi Arabia’s crown prince Mohammed bin Salman. Then there’s the more than £20 billion in arms — as calculated by the NGO Campaign Against Arms Trade — sold by Britain to Saudi Arabia since the Saudis began their war in Yemen in 2015. In 2016, Boris Johnson backed the arms sales against opposition from MPs. Of course, other western countries happily sell arms to the Saudis too. Most of Newcastle’s fans seem equally unbothered by Saudi Arabia’s abuses against women, political prisoners, Yemenis, Khashoggi and others. They are just pleased that MBS might buy them some trophies. The comedian Mark Steel joked: “If Isis had been smart, instead of blowing stuff up, they’d have bought our football clubs. Then most people in the country would praise them as heroes and saviours.” None of this is inevitable. In the 1970s and 1980s, much of British business and sport belatedly joined a boycott of apartheid South Africa. Germany now bars outsiders from buying majority stakes in its football clubs. But don’t expect today’s Britain to choose those paths. Welcoming dirty money is likely to remain national policy, especially after Brexit has dented foreign direct investment. In an ancient, low-skill, low-productivity country, the main thing that foreigners want to buy is heritage, from country houses to football clubs. Newcastle is alluringly old (founded in 1892 — 40 years before Saudi Arabia) and comes equipped with the requisite Latin motto, “fortiter defendit triumphans”, or “triumphing by brave defence”. Given the club’s traditionally leaky defence — 16 goals conceded in seven matches this season — it might want to change that to something more appropriate. What about “pecunia non olet”, or “money doesn’t smell”?

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Buzzers boot boy said:
Why does it matter u silly twat.

u clearly are of the opinion that Newcastle are.
If so, so fuck well done. There’s nowt we can do.
Why don’t u fuck off onto any other platform than a Sunderland one and enjoy what might be the best few days of ya life so far ???

I will never ever understand mags coming on this board and arguing about shite little details as regards to signings, matches, whatever it may be.

me personally my message to u would be log off for a bit, enjoy yaself and let Sunderland be Sunderland.
we have fuck all to do with ya takeover and I’d bet 99% of safc fans are sick to death of yous already and it’s only been 24 hours.

night night and again fuck off u black and white bastards
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It doesn't. The point was raised by a Sunderland fan, not me!
That said I am interested. You aren't which is fair enough.
"Shite little details as regards signings, matches"..... What would you suggest are valid discussion points on a football forum if not signings and matches?
I have been here a lot longer than 24 hours so I would contend that many were sick of me long before now.
Nighty night pet.
Summerbee said:
They're a match made in heaven and it will all end in tears. All I see is another consortium with more money than sense looking for a status symbol and a vehicle their new form of diplomacy, but the game has moved on since 2004 and 2008 and simply throwing money at everything won't work, not that they appear intent on spending too much anyway. They'll get some investment in the area but I don't see it being a million miles away from Short's approach and look how that ended.

Just wait for their reaction when their first megastar is Aaron Ramsey and not Alf Haaland. Anyone that has looked into the detail of this knows that it's not going to be another Manchester City or Chelsea. They might be an Aston Villa at best, and perhaps that's something for them.
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How does anyone know this?
Last week the majority on here, myself included, were contending there was no takeover.
Nobody knows what the future will be. It could be City. It could be Villa. It could be nothing more than we have now.
 
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Biffo The Bear said:
It doesn't. The point was raised by a Sunderland fan, not me!
That said I am interested. You aren't which is fair enough.
"Shite little details as regards signings, matches"..... What would you suggest are valid discussion points on a football forum if not signings and matches?
I have been here a lot longer than 24 hours so I would contend that many were sick of me long before now.
Nighty night pet.
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I'm not sure if you're a woke type, but if you are you do realise you don't have a leg to stand on if that is the case. Personally I'm not sure how I'd handle this if it was my team and I'm not a wokeist.
 
SAFCOldie said:
I'm not sure if you're a woke type, but if you are you do realise you don't have a leg to stand on if that is the case. Personally I'm not sure how I'd handle this if it was my team and I'm not a wokeist.
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As stated earlier in the thread, and a few times in past weeks, I am honestly not sure how I feel yet. Certainly I am not in some celebratory type state of bliss like those outside the stadium appeared to be in.
I am honest enough to admit the thought of potentially seeing my team win something is a little exciting. The downside of those now in control at the club does very much temper that excitement though.
 
Biffo The Bear said:
As stated earlier in the thread, and a few times in past weeks, I am honestly not sure how I feel yet. Certainly I am not in some celebratory type state of bliss like those outside the stadium appeared to be in.
I am honest enough to admit the thought of potentially seeing my team win something is a little exciting. The downside of those now in control at the club does very much temper that excitement though.
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I agree marra, it's a toughie.
 
Black Dog said:
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Levy holds a lot of cards, which is half the reason why Tottenham were invited into the Super League in the first place. Let's see what he and the rest of the so called big six have to say before European Cups are handed over to Steve Bruce. This might have a long way to go yet.
 
Moderate Power said:
The amazing thing about Newcastle over the last 14 years is they remained a PL team for 12 of those years despite a regime of wilful neglect.

That probably highlights the latent potential more than anything. Lesser clubs would have sunk 2 divisions with such neglect.
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Neglect, you spent 80m in one summer when the Wolly with the brolly was in charge!
When you were relegated Ashley backed the Spanish waiter with 60m, no neglect there.
Neglect is when your owner pulls the plug and stops funding and settles for back to back relegations!
That statement is utter drivel.
 
GipseT said:
Changing to red and black I heard
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Lots of me chants here any way
englishman abroad said:
Try this
Easily the best article I've read about the take over, sorry for the lack of paragraphs its a direct cut & paste


In John Osborne’s 1957 play The Entertainer, the fading old music-hall performer Archie Rice becomes the symbol of a fading old Britain. Rice boasts, pathetically: “I’ve played in front of them all. The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales, and the . . . what was the name of that other pub?” Anyone wanting to portray Britain today would use another image: a failing cash-strapped football club, which has won nothing for decades, selling its last remaining asset, its heritage, to a rich murderous foreign dictatorship. The £300m sale of Newcastle United to a consortium led by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund has been treated as an emblem of English football’s moral descent. But why single out football when the malaise is national? Whereas American robber barons used to buy newspapers and endow art museums, today’s sheikhs and oligarchs buy status through football. Rulers of states have been getting into the sport since 2008, when Abu Dhabi’s royal family took over Manchester City. Saudi Arabia was late to this game, watching in envy as its enemy Qatar sportswashed its reputation. The mini-state was chosen to host the World Cup 2022, and bought Paris Saint-Germain, where it has collected trophy footballers including Lionel Messi himself. The Saudis tried various routes into football. In 2018, Saudi and Emirati money was central to the offer of $25bn — fronted by Japanese tech conglomerate SoftBank — to create two new international tournaments, a revamped club World Cup and a global Nations League. Fifa’s president Gianni Infantino correctly called it “the — by far — highest investment football has ever seen”. But the plans failed, as did Saudi Arabia’s attempt to grab a slice of Qatar’s World Cup. That left Newcastle. Amanda Staveley, the British financier who helped broker the takeover, ludicrously argues that sportswashing isn’t buying a club threatened by relegation. In fact, sportswashing is using oil money to turn around a club threatened by relegation so that people come to associate your country’s name with footballing success rather than, say, the bonesaw murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Anyone surprised that Britain welcomes such shady money hasn’t been paying attention. Just take a walk around Mayfair or Kensington. London today overflows with wealth managers, libel lawyers, estate agents, public relations advisers, luxury-goods sellers, public-school headmasters and art dealers, some of whom make their living servicing rich criminals. These enablers see themselves as neutral, highly skilled professionals who (most of the time, anyway) work within the law. There’s a reason why Roberto Saviano, the Italian expert on the mafia, calls Britain “the most corrupt country in the world”. The rot goes all the way to the top. Just look at the photograph last year of former prime minister David Cameron, sitting in a tent dressed, incongruously, in a suit, on a camping trip with his then business partner Lex Greensill to woo Saudi Arabia’s crown prince Mohammed bin Salman. Then there’s the more than £20 billion in arms — as calculated by the NGO Campaign Against Arms Trade — sold by Britain to Saudi Arabia since the Saudis began their war in Yemen in 2015. In 2016, Boris Johnson backed the arms sales against opposition from MPs. Of course, other western countries happily sell arms to the Saudis too. Most of Newcastle’s fans seem equally unbothered by Saudi Arabia’s abuses against women, political prisoners, Yemenis, Khashoggi and others. They are just pleased that MBS might buy them some trophies. The comedian Mark Steel joked: “If Isis had been smart, instead of blowing stuff up, they’d have bought our football clubs. Then most people in the country would praise them as heroes and saviours.” None of this is inevitable. In the 1970s and 1980s, much of British business and sport belatedly joined a boycott of apartheid South Africa. Germany now bars outsiders from buying majority stakes in its football clubs. But don’t expect today’s Britain to choose those paths. Welcoming dirty money is likely to remain national policy, especially after Brexit has dented foreign direct investment. In an ancient, low-skill, low-productivity country, the main thing that foreigners want to buy is heritage, from country houses to football clubs. Newcastle is alluringly old (founded in 1892 — 40 years before Saudi Arabia) and comes equipped with the requisite Latin motto, “fortiter defendit triumphans”, or “triumphing by brave defence”. Given the club’s traditionally leaky defence — 16 goals conceded in seven matches this season — it might want to change that to something more appropriate. What about “pecunia non olet”, or “money doesn’t smell”?

[email protected]
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Thanks good text
 
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Grants said:
I'll ask again has @spitfire been banned from this forum?
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Nope - had my "daft" post deleted and a little message from the mods. Fair enough - no issues with that

Anyway back on subject regardless of all the controversy surrounding this, those fuckers up the road are going to great comic/entertainment value for ages yet with their antics. Long may it continue.
 
Oily Oily Oily said:
Neglect, you spent 80m in one summer when the Wolly with the brolly was in charge!
When you were relegated Ashley backed the Spanish waiter with 60m, no neglect there.
Neglect is when your owner pulls the plug and stops funding and settles for back to back relegations!
That statement is utter drivel.
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Show me the spend for £80m in one summer. Looking forward to this..
 
Seaham Towny said:
Martial is exactly the type of player I hope they start spunking obscene money on
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This is why they will never be the best team in the world, Man City and Chelsea havnt lost all their money over night they can still pay ridiculous wages.
Messi was on a free, City could have paid him as much as he wanted but yet they still couldn't sign him.
What is going to attract the top top players to Newcastle, they will end up paying over the odds for the likes of Martial and like had been mention Bale who was at one time one of the best players in the world but not now.
They may sign the likes of Neymar when he's 34. They will never be able to steel the likes of Foden etc, they will never have the best players in the world when they are in their prime.
They will have a good team , but I think it will be like the 90s when they really did compete yet won fuck all
 
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