mr chuckles
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He probably won 2 league titles because he was at top clubs it's not like he was manager of some mediocre club who historically never win anything.
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Scunny Dan
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Benitez was spawny as fuck at Liverpool. Two penalty shootouts from winning zilch there spending a kings ransom. That 05 CL win was outrageously fortunate.
rentaghost
Striker
Exactly Rafa had a better front 2 in Rondon and Perez. Bruce without Wilson and only the utterly woeful Joelinton got within a point of him. Saint Maximum is a really good player who Rafa wouldn’t have had the guts to play yet the Rafa nut jobs use it as a stick to hit Bruce with.
Benjamin
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Guessing the games you watched werent Burnley. Or West Ham. As Newcastle were the best team in both games. Thats the trouble with watching selected games and making an overall general opinion. Imagine last weekend the first time you watched Liverpool.
mr chuckles
Striker
Has your mammy finally let you back on the internet after safc hammered NUFC 4 nowt last week?
Benjamin
Central Defender
Valencia had 4 titles before he won 2 in 3 years-1942,1944,1947 and 1971. In English terms that Newcastle & Sheff Wed. Clubs with more titles like Sunderland Villa & Everton would have been well chuffed with titles in them years given still not going to happen for them anytime soon.. Clubs with titles still to be accumulated like Man C & Chelsea would have been grateful for that level of success.
Aye its a tough one. You playing third consecutive season in Third Division and all that.
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mr chuckles
Striker
And yet it's took you over a week to post on here since another safc twatting of the toon
Binxy
Striker
That was 30 year ago man.
You had the washed up has been Rafa Benitez, hence fatty Bruce doing a better job than him.
Banks
Striker
No because he's failed pretty much everywhere before Newcastle.
He is nowhere near our best manager since Reid
Qwerty
Striker
Who's been better?
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Deleted member 47406
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I mean, Valencia aren't minnows, but the fact he managed to get Mista scoring goals (when he didn't really do it anywhere after that) shows a coaching ability.
No. I saw the Newport game from this season too and the majority of last season. Burnley is probably one of the more complete performances, but I think if you're painting the Bruce era as anything other than turgid then I feel sorry for you. The guy can't coach at the top level. You have no structure, no plan, you just amble through games and hope that one of the talented lads can do something.
Aye no argue on quality, but that's sort of my point. How do you judge a manager when he has totally different players to work with? We saw last season Bruce wanted a target man and Joelinton isn't that. If he'd had Rondon who knows, but comparing the two now is a fools errand.
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rentaghost
Striker
So Bruce didn’t have his target man, didn’t as you admit have as good options up front yet still did every bit as well? That is what you are saying isn’t it. I’ll be honest the players available to both managers is mid table and that’s broadly where you are. One manager got his points by defensive structure, organisation with no room for individuality. The other manager has less structure but relying on giving freedom to individuals. Ultimately you get judged on your point hauls and there are different ways of getting there. Almiron better under Bruce than under Rafa because he had more freedom and ASM wouldn’t have had the time of day under the previous manager. It’s amazing how the fans hold one under such high esteem and rubbish the other one for doing every bit as good a job. It is purely down to the name.
Benjamin
Central Defender
The 2005 final was indeed outrageous. Fortunate? Having the balls & ability to turn around a 3 goal deficit in the major final of European football. Benitez wasnt just parachuted into the final on the night either. Had to beat Mourinho Chelsea Premier champions to get there. Also Juventus. Deportivo. Took Liverpool to another final later beating Barca PSV Chelsea again.
Scunny Dan
Midfield
Yes, fortunate.
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Deleted member 47406
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I'm not a mag marra.
The thing is, I think there's some weight to analytics. Benitez wasn't Pep Guardiola, but he ran pretty close to the expected numbers meaning his team scored about the number of goals you'd expect a team playing that way to play.
By contrast, Bruce has over-performed to the point where he's basically Rab C Nesbitt pulling Kelly Brook. Like he's broken the machine.
Maybe it evens out more this season, but I have mates who are Villa fans that wouldn't throw him a glass of water in a house fire.
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HeaderDownBrown
Striker
Valencia who had appeared in the previous 2 champions league finals when he took over, yes they were clearly in an awful state
Must not watch a lot of football then sir. We are by no means an entertaining watch however i have seen far worse. Fulham and Burnley immediately spring to mind.
Do you work in Yokohama with me?
I was talking to a Liverpool fan in the pub last night and said that, almost verbatim. Spooky!
And had virtually nothing to do with his tactics.
Apologies sir but that is bollocks.
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rentaghost
Striker
I'm not a mag marra.
The thing is, I think there's some weight to analytics. Benitez wasn't Pep Guardiola, but he ran pretty close to the expected numbers meaning his team scored about the number of goals you'd expect a team playing that way to play.
By contrast, Bruce has over-performed to the point where he's basically Rab C Nesbitt pulling Kelly Brook. Like he's broken the machine.
Maybe it evens out more this season, but I have mates who are Villa fans that wouldn't throw him a glass of water in a house fire.
Again missing the point. I’m not saying Bruce has done a great job at Newcastlenot even a good one. I think he is a bog standard, past it manager who top clubs shouldn’t touch with a barge pole. He has however done a better job at Newcastle than Benitez did though and did so without having the quality front two that Benitez had in his last season. My issue is more how moderate Rafa was at a mediocre club and that when things were going badly under Rafa all you ever heard was ‘what is he supposed to do with these idiots’. Well Bruce did just as well with Joelinton at his disposal rather than Perez and Rondon.
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