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Sima said:
In 68. We are discussing who qualified for the Fairs Cup in 1968-69, right?
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Yes to which the answer is of course no one - The Football League allocated places on a non-competitive basis due to their insistence that it was still a trade fair PR stunt based on inter-city rather than club, the rest of Europe had tried to make it genuine and competitive but England held on excluding IIRC 3 better teams to nominate the Mags. Now don't get me wrong regardless of teams getting byes, failing to turn up and tossing coins to get a result, there were some decent sides trying to win it, so well done Newcastle, but in all honesty trying to pretend it was the UEFA cup's old name. Very disrespectful to clubs that did win a major fully competitive tournament.

FIFA (an honourable institution) probably recognise it because tournaments in Europe generally involved far less corruption stain than many other parts of the world and Europe was at the forefront of inter-nation club football - it rightly ranks above tournaments of the time from many other federations, UEFA don't recognise it because they care a bit more about democracy, and the facts surrounding the tournament. Like I said, well done, but better to drop the delusion that it was something it simply wasn't.
 

McMackem said:
Yes to which the answer is of course no one - The Football League allocated places on a non-competitive basis due to their insistence that it was still a trade fair PR stunt based on inter-city rather than club, the rest of Europe had tried to make it genuine and competitive but England held on excluding IIRC 3 better teams to nominate the Mags. Now don't get me wrong regardless of teams getting byes, failing to turn up and tossing coins to get a result, there were some decent sides trying to win it, so well done Newcastle, but in all honesty trying to pretend it was the UEFA cup's old name. Very disrespectful to clubs that did win a major fully competitive tournament.

FIFA (an honourable institution) probably recognise it because tournaments in Europe generally involved far less corruption stain than many other parts of the world and Europe was at the forefront of inter-nation club football - it rightly ranks above tournaments of the time from many other federations, UEFA don't recognise it because they care a bit more about democracy, and the facts surrounding the tournament. Like I said, well done, but better to drop the delusion that it was something it simply wasn't.
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Some decent points mixed up with nonsense. I’ve already posted a link about Uefa recognising it as the Uefa Cup predecessor, pretending otherwise is plain silly. No-one is saying we won the Uefa Cup btw. Here’s an article from 1970 about that years Fairs Cup competition. For clarification the Fairs Cup committee (including Senior Uefa officials) allocated places to countries (as Uefa do) and those individual countries nominated clubs based on Fairs Cups rules and in English clubs cases at the time continuation of the defunct Fairs Cup requirement of 1 club 1 city (and again in England this extended into the Uefa Cup). Had places been nominated on a non competitive basis then perhaps Sunderland might have been invited. Anyway, here you go:

All set to retain the Fairs Cup, last season, a temporarily off-form Leeds unexpectedly crashed disappointingly in the Quarter-Finals to Ujpest Dozsa — losing both legs, 0-1 at home, and 0-2 in Budapest.

But English revenge was close at hand — Newcastle, “shock” team of the 1968-69 Fairs Cup, had swept through to the Final in their place. There, Ujpest Dozsa, hammered 3-0 in Newcastle, were given much the same treatment by 3-2 in Budapest — and the Fairs Cup was England’s property for the second year running.

It had been a magnificent performance by unfancied Newcastle, who were given no easy passage through to the Final. Their very first Fairs Cup match saw them set up against Feyenoord, the vastly improved Dutch team who are nowadays no pushover for anyone.

Yet Newcastle, brilliantly 4-0 up in the home leg, only allowed Feyenoord to pull back a couple in their 0-2 defeat in Rotterdam. Next, the formidable Sporting Lisbon went the same way — with Newcastle drawing 1-1 away, and scoring the only goal of the game at home.

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Three goal hero over both legs, Bobby Moncur

Real Zaragoza were defeated 2-1 at home, with Newcastle losing 2-3 in Spain — the English side going through on the ruling that, where the tie is otherwise level, away goals count double. In the Semi-Final it was the turn of Glasgow Rangers — how they do seem to fall foul of English clubs in the Fairs Cup! — with a 2-0 home win to Newcastle following a 0-0 draw in Glasgow.

After Ujpest Dozsa had been licked in the Final, Newcastle Manager Joe Harvey gasped — and meant it — “This is one of the proudest moments of my life!”.

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Amongst British nominations, nowadays the winners of the Football League Cup are automatically included but there was no such luck for plucky Swindon last season. The Fairs Cup committee stand 100 per cent firm on their rule that only a nation’s First Division clubs can be accepted.

The Quarter-Finals of the 1969-70 Fairs Cup were scheduled to be played between 16th January and 18th March, and the Semi-Finals between 19th March and 15th April — with the dates for the Final left open until the actual Finalists are known, and matters can be mutually agreed between them. For, unlike the other two big European competitions, the Fairs Cup still prefer to stick to a two-legged, home-and-away Final rather than risk a dip in gate receipts through two far-distant clubs meeting in a country foreign to both.

Will this season provide a hat-trick of British victories? Will there be a worthy home successor to Newcastle and Leeds? Time alone will tell, but one thing is quite certain. Every British club left in will play to their very limit to achieve it!
 
Friendly Fire said:
Some decent points mixed up with nonsense. I’ve already posted a link about Uefa recognising it as the Uefa Cup predecessor, pretending otherwise is plain silly. No-one is saying we won the Uefa Cup btw. Here’s an article from 1970 about that years Fairs Cup competition. For clarification the Fairs Cup committee (including Senior Uefa officials) allocated places to countries (as Uefa do) and those individual countries nominated clubs based on Fairs Cups rules and in English clubs cases at the time continuation of the defunct Fairs Cup requirement of 1 club 1 city (and again in England this extended into the Uefa Cup). Had places been nominated on a non competitive basis then perhaps Sunderland might have been invited. Anyway, here you go:

All set to retain the Fairs Cup, last season, a temporarily off-form Leeds unexpectedly crashed disappointingly in the Quarter-Finals to Ujpest Dozsa — losing both legs, 0-1 at home, and 0-2 in Budapest.

But English revenge was close at hand — Newcastle, “shock” team of the 1968-69 Fairs Cup, had swept through to the Final in their place. There, Ujpest Dozsa, hammered 3-0 in Newcastle, were given much the same treatment by 3-2 in Budapest — and the Fairs Cup was England’s property for the second year running.

It had been a magnificent performance by unfancied Newcastle, who were given no easy passage through to the Final. Their very first Fairs Cup match saw them set up against Feyenoord, the vastly improved Dutch team who are nowadays no pushover for anyone.

Yet Newcastle, brilliantly 4-0 up in the home leg, only allowed Feyenoord to pull back a couple in their 0-2 defeat in Rotterdam. Next, the formidable Sporting Lisbon went the same way — with Newcastle drawing 1-1 away, and scoring the only goal of the game at home.

You must be logged on to see external links

Three goal hero over both legs, Bobby Moncur

Real Zaragoza were defeated 2-1 at home, with Newcastle losing 2-3 in Spain — the English side going through on the ruling that, where the tie is otherwise level, away goals count double. In the Semi-Final it was the turn of Glasgow Rangers — how they do seem to fall foul of English clubs in the Fairs Cup! — with a 2-0 home win to Newcastle following a 0-0 draw in Glasgow.

After Ujpest Dozsa had been licked in the Final, Newcastle Manager Joe Harvey gasped — and meant it — “This is one of the proudest moments of my life!”.

NEW IMAGE

Amongst British nominations, nowadays the winners of the Football League Cup are automatically included but there was no such luck for plucky Swindon last season. The Fairs Cup committee stand 100 per cent firm on their rule that only a nation’s First Division clubs can be accepted.

The Quarter-Finals of the 1969-70 Fairs Cup were scheduled to be played between 16th January and 18th March, and the Semi-Finals between 19th March and 15th April — with the dates for the Final left open until the actual Finalists are known, and matters can be mutually agreed between them. For, unlike the other two big European competitions, the Fairs Cup still prefer to stick to a two-legged, home-and-away Final rather than risk a dip in gate receipts through two far-distant clubs meeting in a country foreign to both.

Will this season provide a hat-trick of British victories? Will there be a worthy home successor to Newcastle and Leeds? Time alone will tell, but one thing is quite certain. Every British club left in will play to their very limit to achieve it!
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Far too long.
 
Friendly Fire said:
Some decent points mixed up with nonsense. I’ve already posted a link about Uefa recognising it as the Uefa Cup predecessor, pretending otherwise is plain silly. No-one is saying we won the Uefa Cup btw. Here’s an article from 1970 about that years Fairs Cup competition. For clarification the Fairs Cup committee (including Senior Uefa officials) allocated places to countries (as Uefa do) and those individual countries nominated clubs based on Fairs Cups rules and in English clubs cases at the time continuation of the defunct Fairs Cup requirement of 1 club 1 city (and again in England this extended into the Uefa Cup). Had places been nominated on a non competitive basis then perhaps Sunderland might have been invited. Anyway, here you go:

All set to retain the Fairs Cup, last season, a temporarily off-form Leeds unexpectedly crashed disappointingly in the Quarter-Finals to Ujpest Dozsa — losing both legs, 0-1 at home, and 0-2 in Budapest.

But English revenge was close at hand — Newcastle, “shock” team of the 1968-69 Fairs Cup, had swept through to the Final in their place. There, Ujpest Dozsa, hammered 3-0 in Newcastle, were given much the same treatment by 3-2 in Budapest — and the Fairs Cup was England’s property for the second year running.

It had been a magnificent performance by unfancied Newcastle, who were given no easy passage through to the Final. Their very first Fairs Cup match saw them set up against Feyenoord, the vastly improved Dutch team who are nowadays no pushover for anyone.

Yet Newcastle, brilliantly 4-0 up in the home leg, only allowed Feyenoord to pull back a couple in their 0-2 defeat in Rotterdam. Next, the formidable Sporting Lisbon went the same way — with Newcastle drawing 1-1 away, and scoring the only goal of the game at home.

You must be logged on to see external links

Three goal hero over both legs, Bobby Moncur

Real Zaragoza were defeated 2-1 at home, with Newcastle losing 2-3 in Spain — the English side going through on the ruling that, where the tie is otherwise level, away goals count double. In the Semi-Final it was the turn of Glasgow Rangers — how they do seem to fall foul of English clubs in the Fairs Cup! — with a 2-0 home win to Newcastle following a 0-0 draw in Glasgow.

After Ujpest Dozsa had been licked in the Final, Newcastle Manager Joe Harvey gasped — and meant it — “This is one of the proudest moments of my life!”.

NEW IMAGE

Amongst British nominations, nowadays the winners of the Football League Cup are automatically included but there was no such luck for plucky Swindon last season. The Fairs Cup committee stand 100 per cent firm on their rule that only a nation’s First Division clubs can be accepted.

The Quarter-Finals of the 1969-70 Fairs Cup were scheduled to be played between 16th January and 18th March, and the Semi-Finals between 19th March and 15th April — with the dates for the Final left open until the actual Finalists are known, and matters can be mutually agreed between them. For, unlike the other two big European competitions, the Fairs Cup still prefer to stick to a two-legged, home-and-away Final rather than risk a dip in gate receipts through two far-distant clubs meeting in a country foreign to both.

Will this season provide a hat-trick of British victories? Will there be a worthy home successor to Newcastle and Leeds? Time alone will tell, but one thing is quite certain. Every British club left in will play to their very limit to achieve it!
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That's a canny bite that like :lol:
 
Irrespective, the 73 cup win trumps it by being both more recent and also against previous winners of the Fairs Cup.
 
Friendly Fire said:
Some decent points mixed up with nonsense. I’ve already posted a link about Uefa recognising it as the Uefa Cup predecessor, pretending otherwise is plain silly. No-one is saying we won the Uefa Cup btw. Here’s an article from 1970 about that years Fairs Cup competition. For clarification the Fairs Cup committee (including Senior Uefa officials) allocated places to countries (as Uefa do) and those individual countries nominated clubs based on Fairs Cups rules and in English clubs cases at the time continuation of the defunct Fairs Cup requirement of 1 club 1 city (and again in England this extended into the Uefa Cup). Had places been nominated on a non competitive basis then perhaps Sunderland might have been invited. Anyway, here you go:

All set to retain the Fairs Cup, last season, a temporarily off-form Leeds unexpectedly crashed disappointingly in the Quarter-Finals to Ujpest Dozsa — losing both legs, 0-1 at home, and 0-2 in Budapest.

But English revenge was close at hand — Newcastle, “shock” team of the 1968-69 Fairs Cup, had swept through to the Final in their place. There, Ujpest Dozsa, hammered 3-0 in Newcastle, were given much the same treatment by 3-2 in Budapest — and the Fairs Cup was England’s property for the second year running.

It had been a magnificent performance by unfancied Newcastle, who were given no easy passage through to the Final. Their very first Fairs Cup match saw them set up against Feyenoord, the vastly improved Dutch team who are nowadays no pushover for anyone.

Yet Newcastle, brilliantly 4-0 up in the home leg, only allowed Feyenoord to pull back a couple in their 0-2 defeat in Rotterdam. Next, the formidable Sporting Lisbon went the same way — with Newcastle drawing 1-1 away, and scoring the only goal of the game at home.

You must be logged on to see external links

Three goal hero over both legs, Bobby Moncur

Real Zaragoza were defeated 2-1 at home, with Newcastle losing 2-3 in Spain — the English side going through on the ruling that, where the tie is otherwise level, away goals count double. In the Semi-Final it was the turn of Glasgow Rangers — how they do seem to fall foul of English clubs in the Fairs Cup! — with a 2-0 home win to Newcastle following a 0-0 draw in Glasgow.

After Ujpest Dozsa had been licked in the Final, Newcastle Manager Joe Harvey gasped — and meant it — “This is one of the proudest moments of my life!”.

NEW IMAGE

Amongst British nominations, nowadays the winners of the Football League Cup are automatically included but there was no such luck for plucky Swindon last season. The Fairs Cup committee stand 100 per cent firm on their rule that only a nation’s First Division clubs can be accepted.

The Quarter-Finals of the 1969-70 Fairs Cup were scheduled to be played between 16th January and 18th March, and the Semi-Finals between 19th March and 15th April — with the dates for the Final left open until the actual Finalists are known, and matters can be mutually agreed between them. For, unlike the other two big European competitions, the Fairs Cup still prefer to stick to a two-legged, home-and-away Final rather than risk a dip in gate receipts through two far-distant clubs meeting in a country foreign to both.

Will this season provide a hat-trick of British victories? Will there be a worthy home successor to Newcastle and Leeds? Time alone will tell, but one thing is quite certain. Every British club left in will play to their very limit to achieve it!
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Great, super, brilliant.

Any colour pics of the last domestic cup win?
 
Friendly Fire said:
Some decent points mixed up with nonsense. I’ve already posted a link about Uefa recognising it as the Uefa Cup predecessor, pretending otherwise is plain silly. No-one is saying we won the Uefa Cup btw. Here’s an article from 1970 about that years Fairs Cup competition. For clarification the Fairs Cup committee (including Senior Uefa officials) allocated places to countries (as Uefa do) and those individual countries nominated clubs based on Fairs Cups rules and in English clubs cases at the time continuation of the defunct Fairs Cup requirement of 1 club 1 city (and again in England this extended into the Uefa Cup). Had places been nominated on a non competitive basis then perhaps Sunderland might have been invited. Anyway, here you go:

All set to retain the Fairs Cup, last season, a temporarily off-form Leeds unexpectedly crashed disappointingly in the Quarter-Finals to Ujpest Dozsa — losing both legs, 0-1 at home, and 0-2 in Budapest.

But English revenge was close at hand — Newcastle, “shock” team of the 1968-69 Fairs Cup, had swept through to the Final in their place. There, Ujpest Dozsa, hammered 3-0 in Newcastle, were given much the same treatment by 3-2 in Budapest — and the Fairs Cup was England’s property for the second year running.

It had been a magnificent performance by unfancied Newcastle, who were given no easy passage through to the Final. Their very first Fairs Cup match saw them set up against Feyenoord, the vastly improved Dutch team who are nowadays no pushover for anyone.

Yet Newcastle, brilliantly 4-0 up in the home leg, only allowed Feyenoord to pull back a couple in their 0-2 defeat in Rotterdam. Next, the formidable Sporting Lisbon went the same way — with Newcastle drawing 1-1 away, and scoring the only goal of the game at home.

You must be logged on to see external links

Three goal hero over both legs, Bobby Moncur

Real Zaragoza were defeated 2-1 at home, with Newcastle losing 2-3 in Spain — the English side going through on the ruling that, where the tie is otherwise level, away goals count double. In the Semi-Final it was the turn of Glasgow Rangers — how they do seem to fall foul of English clubs in the Fairs Cup! — with a 2-0 home win to Newcastle following a 0-0 draw in Glasgow.

After Ujpest Dozsa had been licked in the Final, Newcastle Manager Joe Harvey gasped — and meant it — “This is one of the proudest moments of my life!”.

NEW IMAGE

Amongst British nominations, nowadays the winners of the Football League Cup are automatically included but there was no such luck for plucky Swindon last season. The Fairs Cup committee stand 100 per cent firm on their rule that only a nation’s First Division clubs can be accepted.

The Quarter-Finals of the 1969-70 Fairs Cup were scheduled to be played between 16th January and 18th March, and the Semi-Finals between 19th March and 15th April — with the dates for the Final left open until the actual Finalists are known, and matters can be mutually agreed between them. For, unlike the other two big European competitions, the Fairs Cup still prefer to stick to a two-legged, home-and-away Final rather than risk a dip in gate receipts through two far-distant clubs meeting in a country foreign to both.

Will this season provide a hat-trick of British victories? Will there be a worthy home successor to Newcastle and Leeds? Time alone will tell, but one thing is quite certain. Every British club left in will play to their very limit to achieve it!
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Bless ya :lol:
 
Peter123 said:
Irrespective, the 73 cup win trumps it by being both more recent and also against previous winners of the Fairs Cup.
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And.... the major point.... a major trophy!

Now fuck off fatty....

Magpie 1 said:
Imagine getting 60,000 fans for a final of a 'tinpot' trophy
Must be the best fans in the land then
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:lol::lol::lol: Fuckin seething fat spice.

Imagine sitting on a Sunderland forum as a sad mag at this time on a Friday night, wanking alone again are we?? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
scott934 said:
Remember the last time we were in this division and you were 2 divisions above? We had the best attendance of any game in the north east that season.

Quality.
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Pre 92, the fat fucks won’t remember that

Magpie 1 said:
Imagine getting 60,000 fans for a final of a 'tinpot' trophy
Must be the best fans in the land then
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Imagine only getting 60k for a final :lol::lol:.

Was that your record attendance? :lol: Fuckin idiot.
 
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scott934 said:
Speaking of "your turn", will you finally answer me as to why the Mags are blatantly the bigger club? Please include only facts, since it would be "delusional" to think otherwise. It's the 3rd time I've had to ask this mind.
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You have got a nerve mind - you haven't even had the bottle to express your own opinion and then say 'its your turn'.

Highlighted bit is just a daft statement - we are all expressing opinions (apart from you maybe). The statistics are only a guidance to our opinion. Statistics such as our league title wins in the 1890s may be facts but it is an opinion about how much they are worth in assessing how big a club is in 2018. I would suggest not much at all - I dont think anyone seriously in Italy would consider Genoa with 9 league titles (when Serie A was first formed) a bigger club than Roma with 2 or Lazio, Sampdoria, Torino etc but it is basically the argument we put forward.

Those league wins are our heritage, we should be proud of them but when using them as a tool for assessing how big a club is now is a bit desperate as it would be if Genoa fans used it to argue they were bigger than those clubs. Our performances in the 1890s with 14 professional clubs mean we also have more league titles than Man City and Chelsea as well as the Mags. If some people on here try hard enough they can come up with 'facts' that support we are bigger than all 3.

Its also an opinion not a fact of how much weight you give recent times - I would say a lot. Just because a team is in the top flight now and we are struggling doesn't mean they are bigger than us (Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley etc) but its reasonable to say that a team that has had more fans than us every season bar 2 in the last 40 years, a club that has played in Europe 122 times to our 4. A club that dwarfs us turnover wise even when we are like for league league position wise. If we had this argument in 1980 it would be a good argument we WERE IMO as big as them but times move on and in the last 30-40 years the sands have shifted considerably.
 
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