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Benjamin said:
Its a thread started by an Everton fan. Seems fair that usual nonsensical comments of exclusivity of local board for local fans are set aside.
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Aye but the Everton fan doesn’t live on here unlike some of your lot which is my point, oh and you still haven’t answered my question btw.
 
Benjamin said:
If you are asking just to score points or expose ignorance theres no need-neither I or you or anybody on this forum knows the financial position at NUFC. Its like when fans get challenged to pick a better manager than Bruce without resorting to unrealistic shouts of Mourinho. Not our job (we are already working full time etc) to monitor & sift managers doing decent jobs in UK or elsewhere-you really hope thats what Ashley pays people for.
But in answer to your question the concensus seems to be he paid £135m for club & has invested same again-the latter bit being hard to quantify given the Sports Direct trade off etc. So say £300m max to make a profit. £250m to make a small loss. And as Short found its a lot easier to make a far bigger loss than a small one and hes not the only one.
I would say if he was so desperate to sell given the headaches & grief & need for continual investment somewhere between £200-£250m if serious wants to.
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Fair enough ...

.... and what would you estimate he's asking?
 
Benjamin said:
Its a thread started by an Everton fan. Seems fair that usual nonsensical comments of exclusivity of local board for local fans are set aside.
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It wasn't started by @EverBlue86 man! :lol: It's just where a mod cut July's thread off to start August's and his was the first post in the snipped thread. The July thread kept going for just under a week as the mod didn't lock it but put it in Parsnip.

 
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net spend is like a comfort blanket they suckle on every night, literally no other set of fans ever mention net spend....you reckon when barca sold neymar, their fans whinged about net spend, when the clutch of purchases didnt equal his astronomical purchase
 
The Snowman said:
net spend is like a comfort blanket they suckle on every night, literally no other set of fans ever mention net spend....you reckon when barca sold neymar, their fans whinged about net spend, when the clutch of purchases didnt equal his astronomical purchase
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Minnows compared to the mighty toons.
 
The Snowman said:
after all the death threats and general shit thrown ashleys way, i cant believe theyre too f***ing dense to rea;lise that when he does finally leave he willleave a huge sting in the tail for fans, maybe selling to a venky type buyer...you can guarantee he WILL have the last laugh somehow
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This. Rafa learned the hard way, if you take on MA in a power struggle you lose. The Geordie faithfull will learn the same lesson.
 
Banks said:
They were successful in 92 because it was a fairy tale. They were exactly the same as SAFC in the 80s and Keegan and Hall took them on an adventure we'd all love to experience.

Keegan made some poor decisions they forgave (selling Cole) because they were enjoying the ride.

Now because of that era there is expectancy. Allardyce was doing a perfectly good job but they hounded him out because he wasn't high profile enough.

It's all about status. The man to lead them to glory could be in league 1 right now but he'd never manage it as there fans wouldn't want him or back him if he got the job.

Look at Pardew there mode successful manager this decade and he is derided because he isn't glamorous
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I have to admit that this is basically not too far off the reality.
 
Gorillacop said:
I genuinely try and stick to this thread, talk shite about us and I will try and give a view from the other side, if you met me in real life you’d have a pint with me, I’m a canny lad really, keep out of the Newcastle thread and you won’t bump into many mags to be honest, if you don’t want dialogue dont quote me , stick me on ignore? Most posts are put on here to get a rise.



I will have a look at the question pal.



Absolutely can’t make head nor tail of this young man, as far as I know generally we were a f***ing good side before Ashley came, now we aren’t and never have been, that was my point, you didn’t need to waste ya time with the above marra :lol:
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Fair enough but you must realise there's a mild futility in trying to get across your point of view. We either don't care or will pick it apart for our amusement.
 
Benjamin said:
If you are asking just to score points or expose ignorance theres no need-neither I or you or anybody on this forum knows the financial position at NUFC. Its like when fans get challenged to pick a better manager than Bruce without resorting to unrealistic shouts of Mourinho. Not our job (we are already working full time etc) to monitor & sift managers doing decent jobs in UK or elsewhere-you really hope thats what Ashley pays people for.
But in answer to your question the concensus seems to be he paid £135m for club & has invested same again-the latter bit being hard to quantify given the Sports Direct trade off etc. So say £300m max to make a profit. £250m to make a small loss. And as Short found its a lot easier to make a far bigger loss than a small one and hes not the only one.
I would say if he was so desperate to sell given the headaches & grief & need for continual investment somewhere between £200-£250m if serious wants to.
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One factor to consider is the financial situation of NUFC as a business. Aye they owe Ashley £111m but they've made a profit every season since 2012, apart from that relegation season in 2015/16. Normally when club owners sell it's because the club is going to shit and they want rid of it. Ashley's not going to give NUFC away for £200m and probably not even £250m as why would he when they're financially stable and returning a profit? You can't compare that Short walking away with the debt to Ashley as SAFC were in a mess whereas NUFC are stable! If Ashley did give away NUFC on the cheap then that means a new owner would benefit from future profits, pay off the debt in a few years and be laughing a few more years down the line.

NUFC made £18m profit in 2017/18 (10% of revenue) and the probably made a decent profit in the 2018/19 season and this is possibly the reason why they've spent a bit more on players recently. It would be f***ing daft to go out again and spend £100m on players as where would this money come from? They couldn't really get it back from huge prize money as they aren't going to get into Champions League and even Europa League is a hard ask. Even then the additional revenue from EL isn't great unless you win it (£20m) but that will come at a cost to the players. Each league place is worth summit like £1.5m (a guess) so again even climbing from 13th to 8th would get another £7.5m. Even going from 17th to 8th would get an extra £13.5m and how many top 10 club players would that buy? I think it's harder now from mid table PL teams as there's not so much the can do to increase revenues regarding getting into Europe or climbing the table. Whereas the big 6 get into Europe, have the squads quality to rotate and then benefit from additional revenue and get global exposure which adds millions to the revenue.

The rest of the league get nowt like this and in the image below you can see the lowest earner of the big 6, Spurs, got double the revenue of Everton, the next highest in 2018. In fact the big 6 combined got more than the rest of the league in 2018. Given the progress in Europe of Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs along with Man City winning the league and cups then that gap will be even bigger in 2019. Only Man Utd didn't get any 'success' last season but their revenue in 2018 was pushing £600m anyway given their status as a global brand so they will still be high!

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A newly promoted club wanting to stay in the Premier League would obviously spend big as the PL is where the money is. Aston Villa have done it this season but that's simply because their revenue will be going up this season and maybe the owners have hoyed a few quid in themselves. However even if they go straight back down they'll get parachute payments for 2 seasons. Fulham did it last season but failed but they still got additional revenue last seand will also get 2 years of parachute payments. The Mags don't see this closed shop at the top and want Ashley to spend spend spend but if they did it doesn't guarantee safety. Relegation after spending big when you don't have the finances to back it up if it did happen. Spending beyond their means could mean a club going to shit.
 
The Snowman said:
net spend is like a comfort blanket they suckle on every night, literally no other set of fans ever mention net spend....you reckon when barca sold neymar, their fans whinged about net spend, when the clutch of purchases didnt equal his astronomical purchase
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I’ve said it before,

They never mentioned net spend until it was a convenient way of deflecting any blame of Rafas shite performances.
 
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