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Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
The poll is not a representation of all Sunderland fans though or even the majority of the SMB.
The RAWA board clearly did not want to risk their opinions being knocked back by asking their members for support.
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Well you mentioned that you didn't think a majority of fans would support it. I've acknowledged that online fans aren't necessarily representative but on here and twitter the reaction at the time was overwhelmingly positive. The SAFC fans I know in real life largely supported it as well. I didn't see any real criticism until we won a couple of games (which we should be doing on a much more regular basis in this league).

You say they "clearly" didn't want their opinions to be knocked back. It's not clear at all, that's just your opinion. Maybe they weren't sure how to poll their members (is it an email, do they try and do a survey monkey but how do they ensure only members vote on it, how long do they give people to vote etc), maybe it was brought to them late on and they just thought it was best to join it straight away given that the mood definitely seemed to be one of "get him out". Ultimately there are people elected by RAWA members to make decisions, and if enough disagree they can vote them out. I've said I think they should have tried to poll their members but you seem determined to make it a major issue, as opposed to a learning curve for a relatively new group. I don't think they thought the members would say no and therefore decided to undemocratically leave them out of the process, I'm fairly sure the vast majority would have said yes especially as a lot will have joined having seen them mentioned online, and the online sources seemed in favour of the statement
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
Well you mentioned that you didn't think a majority of fans would support it. I've acknowledged that online fans aren't necessarily representative but on here and twitter the reaction at the time was overwhelmingly positive. The SAFC fans I know in real life largely supported it as well. I didn't see any real criticism until we won a couple of games (which we should be doing on a much more regular basis in this league).

You say they "clearly" didn't want their opinions to be knocked back. It's not clear at all, that's just your opinion. Maybe they weren't sure how to poll their members (is it an email, do they try and do a survey monkey but how do they ensure only members vote on it, how long do they give people to vote etc), maybe it was brought to them late on and they just thought it was best to join it straight away given that the mood definitely seemed to be one of "get him out". Ultimately there are people elected by RAWA members to make decisions, and if enough disagree they can vote them out. I've said I think they should have tried to poll their members but you seem determined to make it a major issue, as opposed to a learning curve for a relatively new group. I don't think they thought the members would say no and therefore decided to undemocratically leave them out of the process, I'm fairly sure the vast majority would have said yes especially as a lot will have joined having seen them mentioned online, and the online sources seemed in favour of the statement
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We'll just have to disagree. The lead person of RAWA has been around the block enough to know the score in relation to the role of members and committees. A public acknowledgement of the learning cure issue and their error would be appreciated.
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
like a dog with a bone, it’s already been discussed a thousand times yet you still pipe up demanding your fortpennith with incorrect facts.
Give it a rest before you bore everyone to death
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I'm afraid I won't go away - the principle is quite an important one. You may realise this one day if major decisions are made that you disagree with.
If I bore you to death, you can put me on ignore - I wouldn't want you to die.
Confucius said:
There is no mock in democracy
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Have a mocha and chill out.
 
Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
I'm afraid I won't go away - the principle is quite an important one. You may realise this one day if major decisions are made that you disagree with.
If I bore you to death, you can put me on ignore - I wouldn't want you to die.

Have a mocha and chill out.
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Just got in from work man and have a TEAMS call in a bit, I don't have time to chill out. Mocha isn't in democracy either
 
Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
I'm afraid I won't go away - the principle is quite an important one. You may realise this one day if major decisions are made that you disagree with.
If I bore you to death, you can put me on ignore - I wouldn't want you to die.

Have a mocha and chill out.
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I can see you stand in speakers corner soon, alone, talking to yourself About RAWA and how you don’t like them
 
Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
We'll just have to disagree. The lead person of RAWA has been around the block enough to know the score in relation to the role of members and committees. A public acknowledgement of the learning cure issue and their error would be appreciated.
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Fair enough, yeah I don't think we're going to convince each other, but I do think I've shown that the reaction we can gauge (online) was largely supportive of the stance, although I accept I can't demonstrate that this support was indicative of the whole fan base. I don't think many opposed it until results, temporarily, picked up.

In terms of acknowledging that it's a learning curve, I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure they did that at the RAWA meeting which followed. I get that it's not exactly a public statement on a website or anything but at a meeting open to all members they spoke about it and acknowledged that they'd consider a different approach if a similar thing happened in the future. But aye, we've covered all we can here I think!
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
I can see you stand in speakers corner soon, alone, talking to yourself About RAWA and how you don’t like them
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This is the bit that you don't get mate. I'm not against RAWA but I do think they have made mistakes. None of us are perfect but those who follow the RAWA party line (all branch members are old, eat biscuits and are just out for themselves and so on) clearly think that RAWA are.

I think @MADBOB THE MAKEM made a good point earlier about building bridges - I hope it won't go unnoticed because it came from him or because it might involve RAWA being honest with themselves.
 
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