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New Birmingham Stadium - 60k+

They'll fill it with their eyes closed. Huge city and catchment area and with the right investment and marketing, which it looks like they are starting to get right, they will take off (sadly). The City centre is pretty good though to be fair and a decent night out around Broad Street/Gas street etc.
 

Hank Scorpio said:
Tbf mate, you don’t need success. You just need to offer something different.

A brand new stadium will almost certainly add 20,000 to their crowds and therefore they will be looking at c45,000 crowds. That alone should be enough to kick them on.

I know people will say “yeah but that still leaves 17,000 empty seats” but I suspect they will already be planning for that.

They’ve already said that the stadium will be the steepest in the country and therefore the idea will be to pack out the lower tiers and then cover the top tiers.


There’s a lot of plastic fans in Birmingham mind mate. If they can stop bellends from supporting Liverpool etc, that will be a start
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it's not all about the footy as it will have plenty of other stuff using it throughout the year that will generate cash. It's going to be a sports quarter and nowt like we could offer up here due to space limitations.

No doubt with it being new and shiny and probably offering what Spurs does and more then it will attract new fans a some have already pointed out. The revenue they generate from it all, not just the footy will no doubt help them over time to spend more on the team in whatever league they're in. If they ultimately get into the Premier League then their revenue could eventually be in the top 10 I reckon.

For all those saying "What about the empty seats?" or "They won't get 62,000" etc, what they could also do is what we've done in the past and get the kids in cheap. This means a parent is dragged along also and it means potentially getting a lifelong fan for the future, all while spending money on more than just a ticket. In time this increase in younger fan base that will add to the core of the fan base.

Given it will offer similar to what Spurs does on a match day then it could well be that it will attract kids who may have gone to Villa in the past and can't get tickets, on top of more mature fans. It's a shame we're limited in a way with the match day experience but 30 years ago when it was all in planning stuff like that wasn't a thing.

Using the video where Jude is looking at it, this is what I reckon the white bits are. The gif below It shows the map (
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We'd love summit this size around the SOL as a sports quarter surely? Even if the club got all the Sheepfolds and did something with it, rather than building a few 100 houses. It's mental as those few 100 houses will only spend £X a year but if it was a sports quarter offering 365 days things it would add far more into the economy.

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The BBC link had this image up showing what they already own but this is a bit smaller than what's shown in the video. This is possibly what they bought in 2024 when they bought the Wheels site that has the various race tracks on it.

 
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Elmers said:
Where are the 30,000 fans coming from, coming from a Coventry fan that is irony at its best. You’re the shittiest little scum club in the midlands.
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Not too many more than we got when the Ricoh opened before SISU came in.

A big difference from 28,000 to 60,000.
Lo Ursem said:
The buzz created from a new stadium will draw in extra fans. Birmingham as a successful Second Division club in the early seventies attracted huge crowds.
West Ham, traditionally not as well supported, found an extra 30,000 overnight.
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West Ham are a far bigger club than Birmingham and had a sizeable waiting list towards them of Upton Park.

Also work remembering they initially started with a 54,000 capacity. So around 20,000 more seats.

They too gave tickets away and West Ham fans hate how their are tourists everywhere.
OakeyStokie said:
They'll fill it with their eyes closed. Huge city and catchment area and with the right investment and marketing, which it looks like they are starting to get right, they will take off (sadly). The City centre is pretty good though to be fair and a decent night out around Broad Street/Gas street etc.
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They'll fill it but the question very few Birmingham fans seem to be asking is who those people will be.

If Stoke were offered a 60,000 tomorrow, you'd surely question the idea of having 30,000 international tourists and the effect it would have on the culture and atmosphere.
 
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If it brings investment & growth I'm all for it, 3bn from Wagner & 2.4bn in infrastructure investment from the government
Be interesting to see if Farage allows the investment to continue when he's in Downing Street
 
Birmingham should be the biggest club in Britain their support is awful. The fact they get similar gates to clubs like Stoke and Boro despite having atleast 4 times as many supporters is just embarrassing for them
 
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK said:
it's not all about the footy as it will have plenty of other stuff using it throughout the year that will generate cash. It's going to be a sports quarter and nowt like we could offer up here due to space limitations.

No doubt with it being new and shiny and probably offering what Spurs does and more then it will attract new fans a some have already pointed out. The revenue they generate from it all, not just the footy will no doubt help them over time to spend more on the team in whatever league they're in. If they ultimately get into the Premier League then their revenue could eventually be in the top 10 I reckon.

For all those saying "What about the empty seats?" or "They won't get 62,000" etc, what they could also do is what we've done in the past and get the kids in cheap. This means a parent is dragged along also and it means potentially getting a lifelong fan for the future, all while spending money on more than just a ticket. In time this increase in younger fan base that will add to the core of the fan base.

Given it will offer similar to what Spurs does on a match day then it could well be that it will attract kids who may have gone to Villa in the past and can't get tickets, on top of more mature fans. It's a shame we're limited in a way with the match day experience but 30 years ago when it was all in planning stuff like that wasn't a thing.

Using the video where Jude is looking at it, this is what I reckon the white bits are. The gif below It shows the map (
You must be logged on to see external links
), then highlights the area of the development and then hoys on the SOL for a size comparison.

Logon or register to see this image


We'd love summit this size around the SOL as a sports quarter surely? Even if the club got all the Sheepfolds and did something with it, rather than building a few 100 houses. It's mental as those few 100 houses will only spend £X a year but if it was a sports quarter offering 365 days things it would add far more into the economy.

Logon or register to see this image


The BBC link had this image up showing what they already own but this is a bit smaller than what's shown in the video. This is possibly what they bought in 2024 when they bought the Wheels site that has the various race tracks on it.

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Housing better. We need people living in the city centre
 
LDNCCFC said:
Not too many more than we got when the Ricoh opened before SISU came in.

A big difference from 28,000 to 60,000.


West Ham are a far bigger club than Birmingham and had a sizeable waiting list towards them of Upton Park.

Also work remembering they initially started with a 54,000 capacity. So around 20,000 more seats.

They too gave tickets away and West Ham fans hate how their are tourists everywhere.


They'll fill it but the question very few Birmingham fans seem to be asking is who those people will be.

If Stoke were offered a 60,000 tomorrow, you'd surely question the idea of having 30,000 international tourists and the effect it would have on the culture and atmosphere.
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Comparing Stoke to Birmingham isn't right. Their population is huge compared to ours. Ours is around 260k and if we had just one professional team and that team doing reasonably well we'd pull in a rough combined attendance of around high 30k and touching 40k. At latest approximate calculations, Birmingham has a population of over 1M. It's not hard to see where they'd get 60k from if they got it right on the pitch, and that's even allowing for the Villa.
 
OakeyStokie said:
Comparing Stoke to Birmingham isn't right. Their population is huge compared to ours. Ours is around 260k and if we had just one professional team and that team doing reasonably well we'd pull in a rough combined attendance of around high 30k and touching 40k. At latest approximate calculations, Birmingham has a population of over 1M. It's not hard to see where they'd get 60k from if they got it right on the pitch, and that's even allowing for the Villa.
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And football is massively popular now. Comparing Stoke to Brum is similar to Sunderland and Newcastle both being compared to Boro.
Considering the catchment areas, Stoke and Boro draw decent crowds
Tom the Pom said:
Fuck me it's looks horrendous
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Battersea Power Station ... Pink Floyd
 
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OakeyStokie said:
Comparing Stoke to Birmingham isn't right. Their population is huge compared to ours. Ours is around 260k and if we had just one professional team and that team doing reasonably well we'd pull in a rough combined attendance of around high 30k and touching 40k. At latest approximate calculations, Birmingham has a population of over 1M. It's not hard to see where they'd get 60k from if they got it right on the pitch, and that's even allowing for the Villa.
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Of course but the question still remains who those people are.

I've been to school and worked with many Birmingham fans and this goes against everything they used to claim.

I doubt they'll be the working class 'proper club' with half a ground of 'new' fans.
Lo Ursem said:
And football is massively popular now. Comparing Stoke to Brum is similar to Sunderland and Newcastle both being compared to Boro.
Considering the catchment areas, Stoke and Boro draw decent crowds

Battersea Power Station ... Pink Floyd
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Definitely. It will get filled eventually.

Depends what price you pay. Ask Man City or West Ham fans about the culture and atmosphere of a place.

This new mammoth stadium will be amazing but very different to St Andrews which is one of the best proper stadiums in the country.
 
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Skylon said:
Housing better. We need people living in the city centre
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There's plenty of other spaces to build a few 100 houses. Those few 100 people over a year aren't suddenly going to have the town economy booming by going out every day spending money in town.

Yet if there was a huge hub that attracted 100s of extra people a day spending money, on top of 1,000s on match days being offered more to do. That along with other events during the year then overall the hub would generate more money for our local economy as some people will also be going into town and vice versa.
 
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Lo Ursem said:
And football is massively popular now. Comparing Stoke to Brum is similar to Sunderland and Newcastle both being compared to Boro.
Considering the catchment areas, Stoke and Boro draw decent crowds

Battersea Power Station ... Pink Floyd
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Teesside and the potteries are about the same size but they have vale to compete with that said there’s a fair few Sunderland fans in the north tees area fairly comparable really. I think Burnley are easily the best supported club in the uk in terms of population and catchment to crowds mind
 
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK said:
There's plenty of other spaces to build a few 100 houses. Those few 100 people over a year aren't suddenly going to have the town economy booming by going out every day spending money in town.

Yet if there was a huge hub that attracted 100s of extra people a day, on top of 1,000s on match days being offered more to do, along with other events during the year then they'd be spending far more money along with possibly popping into town to spend a bit more or vice versa they come after going into town.
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I disagree. The houses are vital to the whole regeneration of the town. Added to all the other housing getting built,they are vital to the city centre economy
 
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