More investigations for the mags from HMRC?

[Zig81]

Is it?

Possibly

 

[Secret Visage]

Possibly

Surprised his heart hasn't exploded, lugging all that timber about.

Fat sweaty mess.

 

[horselover]

Perhaps but you said they'd never be relegated ..... twice

There's a possibility they'll be relegated twice in 1 season

 

[DaveAngel]

Literally in the news though mate, not exactly strange is it

Suppose, but 16 pages?

 

[JohnnyM1]

Charnley locked up would be a positive outcome anyways

 

[The Fish]

But not to educate yourself, unfortunately.

Oh well, time for some Neil Innes (option c), I guess:

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The only person who's said anything particularly worthwhile "educationally", in the thread is Grumpy Old Man.

The F A later ordered West Ham to pay Sheff Utd 20m+ in compensation.
The F A won't be as lenient next time around according to Richard Scudamore
Also newcastle's case is tax fraud, so IF found guilty yous will be punished twice

If we're found guilty we may well be punished by the FA and by HMRC. Nobody knows how harsh any punishments will be. But aye, lets keep using terms like wind up orders, heavy fines, transfer embargos, relegations

 

[Reiver]

If we're found guilty we may well be punished by the FA and by HMRC. Nobody knows how harsh any punishments will be. But aye, lets keep using terms like wind up orders, heavy fines, transfer embargos, relegations

Conversely there could be a light or non-existent points deduction and relegation is up to the football league, not HMRC. transfer embargos are barely worth the paper they're written on as we've seen with PSG and Barcelona. And of course there may be no kind of transfer embargo at all.
I reckon if we're found guilty, we'll get a fine from HRMC, and possibly a fine from the Football authorities. I'd be shocked if we were given a points deduction, but even if we are it'll surely be less than for going into administration.

 

[The Fish]

I dont think for one minute that you or anybody else will face a winding up order.

as for the reasons (if it was done), we will need to wait and see. No point in guessing. I am sure there will be a number of clubs involved and whether it is through one agent or several, again we will just have to wait and see.


I can honestly see at least one demotion for those involved and rightly so, irrespective of those involved, as the amounts involved will be millions. That is millions from the services of this country.

I'd be surprised if the sums involved are large enough to bring demotions, West Ham didn't even get a points deduction.

I would also like the agents and the players to face the music, if there is music to face

I absolutely agree that agents and footballers are complicit in any tax avoidance schemes and while the players can plead ignorance, the agents were wilfully engaging in the alleged wrongdoing and should face sanctions.

To be honest, there needs to be a shakeup of that side of the sport. Better regulations, greater transparency, and so on. A young man's future could be in the hands of some right dodgy bellend. There was an "interview" with Shearer where he talked about a sizeable portion of young players wages going into a trust until they hit a certain age. I think that kind of system could better guide the player's choices and also the development of a young footballers character.

Did you understand my post?

I was simply calling for reason to have it's day. Rather than the wild flights of fancy that we've seen in this thread.

Were I to mirror the predictions I'd be predicting an innocent verdict, or no punishments at all.

 

[Zig81]

Let me guess, The Whale is straight back on here at first light gnashing away?

 

[Reiver]

Did you understand my post?
I was simply calling for reason to have it's day. Rather than the wild flights of fancy that we've seen in this thread.
Were I to mirror the predictions I'd be predicting an innocent verdict, or no punishments at all.

Perfectly ..... you're saying people shouldn't use certain terms that you keep using yourself.

You've been telling people not to make predictions while posting your own predictions.

Like I said it's people's choice if they want to do either ...... you don't get to dictate the terms, of the thread, just because it relates to Newcastle.

You know no more than anyone else on here.

 

[horselover]

The only person who's said anything particularly worthwhile "educationally", in the thread is Grumpy Old Man.



If we're found guilty we may well be punished by the FA and by HMRC. Nobody knows how harsh any punishments will be. But aye, lets keep using terms like wind up orders, heavy fines, transfer embargos, relegations

Not once have I said newcastle will be wound up, but anything else is possible.
IF and only IF Newcastle are guilty of financial irregularities then that'll be up to HMRC, the F A and the Premier League

 

[cluffy]

Have they been treble-relegated yet?

 

[Reiver]

Have they been treble-relegated yet?

No but something even stranger has happened ..... a Mag is defending Mike Ashley's honour

They'll be out in the streets fixing up old phone boxes next

 

[maghater]

This is an HMRC matter not FA rules

HMRC will screw the arse off them, tax evasion is a hot political potato, at the moment and any sign of leniency shown to a football team which has got its snout well into the tv bonanza trough would be seized upon by politicians of all colour. Fat Mikes previous financial short comings will also be held against them.
The Fa will see it as a blatant form of cheating giving the club an unfair financial advantage over other teams who have plated fair. They will also not wish to be seen condoning tax fraud. So mega fine from HMRC , and relegation by at least one division plus fines and transfer embargoes from the FA. Might be a decent Tyne Wear derby next season in div 1

 

[The Fish]

No but something even stranger has happened ..... a Mag is defending Mike Ashley's honour

They'll be out in the streets fixing up old phone boxes next

Where's the "Mag defending Mike Ashley's honour" like?

Perfectly ..... you're saying people shouldn't use certain terms that you keep using yourself.

You've been telling people not to make predictions while posting your own predictions.

Like I said it's people's choice if they want to do either ...... you don't get to dictate the terms, of the thread, just because it relates to Newcastle.

You know no more than anyone else on here.

What's the context of my use of those terms?

I've been suggesting people not make wild predictions of an apocalyptic result for Newcastle United, because it will make them look silly.

I know the same as everyone else, because I too know very little. However, I'm not assuming the absolute nightmare scenario for Newcastle is really the likely scenario. Nor am I assuming the best case situation, for fear of looking foolish in the future.

Not once have I said newcastle will be wound up, but anything else is possible.
IF and only IF Newcastle are guilty of financial irregularities then that'll be up to HMRC, the F A and the Premier League

You may not, but others have.

But honestly, what do you think is most likely?

 

[Hot Since 82]

The only person who's said anything particularly worthwhile "educationally", in the thread is Grumpy Old Man.



If we're found guilty we may well be punished by the FA and by HMRC. Nobody knows how harsh any punishments will be. But aye, lets keep using terms like wind up orders, heavy fines, transfer embargos, relegations

You clearly haven't read the thread properly then.

 

[soapster]

I'd be surprised if the sums involved are large enough to bring demotions, West Ham didn't even get a points deduction.

I absolutely agree that agents and footballers are complicit in any tax avoidance schemes and while the players can plead ignorance, the agents were wilfully engaging in the alleged wrongdoing and should face sanctions.

To be honest, there needs to be a shakeup of that side of the sport. Better regulations, greater transparency, and so on. A young man's future could be in the hands of some right dodgy bellend. There was an "interview" with Shearer where he talked about a sizeable portion of young players wages going into a trust until they hit a certain age. I think that kind of system could better guide the player's choices and also the development of a young footballers character.

everybody in football knows that was a disgrace, the way it was handled. Just the same as people have been shouting for years about corruption at fifa. The people were ignored and brushed under the carpet. Don't look to that handling as some sort of guidance. Different offence as well, this suggestion is a criminal offence, whereas whu was an offence against fa (EPL) rules
the factor about agents is so right. who brought that in - Fifa.

personally I think the wages suggestion, should be brought in. especially when it comes to EPL wages.

I also think that if under 21, they should a schooling type programme to keep them at "work" from 9 - 4. They could do their normal training and other life learning skills. A kid with the amount of money they earn, will only lead to massive issues. Keep their minds occupied and let them be shown and appreciate how a good and honest, hard working person lives.

 

[horselover]

Where's the "Mag defending Mike Ashley's honour" like?



What's the context of my use of those terms?

I've been suggesting people not make wild predictions of an apocalyptic result for Newcastle United, because it will make them look silly.

I know the same as everyone else, because I too know very little. However, I'm not assuming the absolute nightmare scenario for Newcastle is really the likely scenario. Nor am I assuming the best case situation, for fear of looking foolish in the future.


You may not, but others have.

But honestly, what do you think is most likely?

If found guilty there's every chance newcastle will be demoted with a transfer ban and massive fine

 

[Secret Visage]

Let me guess, The Whale is straight back on here at first light gnashing away?

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[Keeping the Faith]

Where's the "Mag defending Mike Ashley's honour" like?



What's the context of my use of those terms?

I've been suggesting people not make wild predictions of an apocalyptic result for Newcastle United, because it will make them look silly.

I know the same as everyone else, because I too know very little. However, I'm not assuming the absolute nightmare scenario for Newcastle is really the likely scenario. Nor am I assuming the best case situation, for fear of looking foolish in the future.


You may not, but others have.

But honestly, what do you think is most likely?

It's a message board for Sunderland fans though. Yes, the apocalyptic outcomes are unlikely, but why shouldn't we have a bit of fun speculating? How does that make us look silly?