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RAWA May Collective Meeting Minutes


Weststand said:
@Becs can we follow up on Burwells statement about this please? He needs to clarify what he means
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Stadium Safety Certificate has a segregated and non segregated capicity

Segregated is when they add black covers over many seats and lose out on income from them on general sale

Non segregated is when there's no black covers and just the aisle seperates fans, maybe stewards or police on the stairs and gets maximum revenue from each seat

They need to stick fans in the front rows
 
Hetty said:
Stadium Safety Certificate has a segregated and non segregated capicity

Segregated is when they add black covers over many seats and lose out on income from them on general sale

Non segregated is when there's no black covers and just the aisle seperates fans, maybe stewards or police on the stairs and gets maximum revenue from each seat

They need to stick fans in the front rows
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Why don't they just say that then ?

Non segregated to everyone who isn't a mind reader means no segregation. Not "no netting"

There's dozens of grounds where there is no netting ,buy your still segregated by a little fence, a line of stewards , and different access to turnstiles and the concourse so no mixing of fans can happen..it's nothing new and we used to have that in the south stand
 
No segregation must mean a neutral area like they once had at Fulham (I'm not sure if this is still in place).

So a possibility of us encouraging away fans and neutrals to buy tickets in the NWU Corner to mix in with the Home support?

Yeah **** that for a laugh. What could possibly go wrong.
 
Whichever definition and course of action is meant by non-segregated in this instance, it hopefully also translates into the front rows of the north upper being on sale for that match.
 
BlackHoleSun said:
Gave it a go at reading

The minutes are awful (sorry minute taker but am not sure that's a skill you can confidently put on your CV there). Though maybe not their fault as it reads like one massive rambling waffle sesh

What's with the unanswered questions all the way through them?
XY asked....? Silence?
ZX asked for clarification. Silence?

After AOB can they not include a WTF section

£250 million - WTF, and WTF is a non segregation match?
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I’d have been absolutely embarrassed for however drew up those “minutes”.

We are a multi-million organisation yet seemingly don’t have a professional secretary capable of writing coherent notes.

It’s clear that those at the meeting didn’t take it seriously at all.

A series of random statements by TB which many appear to have been taken on without any questioning.

I suspect there will be no proper follow-up either.

Appalling.
 
Bossworld said:
Nope, but if it makes you and others feel better to deride sections of the fanbase as lesser fans, have at it mate. Also, it's "moot".

Based on points levels from the other thread, those who have been going to the majority of away games and racking up BCPs would have nothing to fear anyway, from what is an entirely hypothetical idea.

At risk of repeating myself, if everyone going has done the hard yards then presumably you see the same faces every fortnight unless it's a low allocation like Bournemouth? I saw the branch furore a few months back and I've obviously got no experience of whether tickets are still re-sold or passed on, given the club seems to be trying to combat that?

If tickets are being resold then that's a whole different can of worms, hence my question, which has oddly gone unanswered. If youngsters going along now have the BCPs because they were doing the likes of Norwich and Cardiff when they were 12/13 (with their parents) then absolutely hats off to them.
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Boss world thats something we can agree on if the young lads did the hard yards then more power to them but a arbitrary ballot to get young ones a ticket I don’t agree with
I personally and a am fully aware this is a contentious issue would welcome more random checks to stop the borders passing on tickets, that way the phases will naturally go to lower points not selling out in phase 2
Forty said:
Still trying to work out what is the point of a Membership scheme?
  • Is this going to be an added cost so you can jump the queue for away tickets,because you didnt go in the Championship.
  • Or is it going to be for people who arent Season Ticket Holders so they can get home tickets.
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Genuinely asking myself the same question
 
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Forty said:
Still trying to work out what is the point of a Membership scheme?
  • Is this going to be an added cost so you can jump the queue for away tickets,because you didnt go in the Championship.
  • Or is it going to be for people who arent Season Ticket Holders so they can get home tickets.
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I think it'll be more like this, obviously it's just speculation until they announce it fully. As I mentioned earlier in the thread me and my son have memberships at Man City, it allows us to buy tickets for home games when it gets to our level of membership, and some discount from the shop.

I'd be surprised if it was a case of 'give us x amount of money and you can jump the queue for away tickets', though it is the premier league so maybe it wouldn't be that surprising. I don't think it's a way to force season card holders out or anything like that.
Fact Hunt said:
I’d have been absolutely embarrassed for however drew up those “minutes”.

We are a multi-million organisation yet seemingly don’t have a professional secretary capable of writing coherent notes.

It’s clear that those at the meeting didn’t take it seriously at all.

A series of random statements by TB which many appear to have been taken on without any questioning.

I suspect there will be no proper follow-up either.

Appalling.
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I think previously it was RAWA/other supporter groups who take the minutes and the club sign off on them prior to publishing?
 
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Weststand said:
@Becs can we follow up on Burwells statement about this please? He needs to clarify what he means
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It's not been clarified.

General thinking is the removal of the black netting on the seats and the spare away tickets if the visitors don't want to take the full allocation will be sold to "neutrals" which could mean home fans, away fans or anyone who fancies attending for the crack!

To be fair, selling the black netting seats and unused away fan space is something that has been brought up many times in my meeting notes, so at least they are doing something about selling those seats and getting more people inside.
Arfa Sleep said:
I think previously it was RAWA/other supporter groups who take the minutes and the club sign off on them prior to publishing?
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I've been at meetings in the past when a RAWA member took the minutes. Yes the club and all parties present have to sign them off before publishing.

I didn't go to this meeting so I don't know who did the minutes.
 
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BlackHoleSun said:
Gave it a go at reading

The minutes are awful (sorry minute taker but am not sure that's a skill you can confidently put on your CV there). Though maybe not their fault as it reads like one massive rambling waffle sesh

What's with the unanswered questions all the way through them?
XY asked....? Silence?
ZX asked for clarification. Silence?

After AOB can they not include a WTF section

£250 million - WTF, and WTF is a non segregation match?
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What questions are unanswered all the way through? Aye it could be better laid out to make it more obvious but from what I see, a question is asked and then the next paragraph is the response.
 
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK said:
What questions are unanswered all the way through? Aye it could be better laid out to make it more obvious but from what I see, a question is asked and then the next paragraph is the response.
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I think it's the layout you know. Like in disjointed paragraphs. Minute taking is an awful job like and am not sure there's much structure there so apols to the taker really

I did find it funny that someone at the end asked if a new song could be sung then the minutes show no reply. Like everyone just got up and left
I think this forum should be allowed pick it up and run with that given the song ideas that randomly appear on here
 
Forty said:
Still trying to work out what is the point of a Membership scheme?
  • Is this going to be an added cost so you can jump the queue for away tickets,because you didnt go in the Championship.
  • Or is it going to be for people who arent Season Ticket Holders so they can get home tickets.
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I will be shocked if their is any real benefit for us as fans. We already effectively have a de-facto membership scheme for free, as we all have supporter numbers.

It is a way for the club to earn more money, and I would expect for your annual fee you will get priority access to home tickets before they go on ”general sale” and the chance to join the season ticket waiting list. I wouldn’t be surprised to see overseas supporters getting priority access either. In the old days you would get a nice membership card too, but now you will just get access to the smartphone App that will exist as a marketing tool.
 
Forty said:
Still trying to work out what is the point of a Membership scheme?
  • Is this going to be an added cost so you can jump the queue for away tickets,because you didnt go in the Championship.
  • Or is it going to be for people who arent Season Ticket Holders so they can get home tickets.
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Bruce said it won't be a scheme to jump the queue for home or away tickets, but now he's not there you never know

Need to generate as much revenue as possible, that may upset some fans
 
We need more MLFs on the club side.

Dave Bruce is sadly no more and Ashley L had the night off.
Hetty said:
Bruce said it won't be a scheme to jump the queue for home or away tickets, but now he's not there you never know

Need to generate as much revenue as possible, that may upset some fans
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He's gone now. I just hope we avoid daft memberships for ballots etc as that would just be a cash grab. I don't think demand is high enough, but still.
 
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RTGAdmin said:
I will be shocked if their is any real benefit for us as fans. We already effectively have a de-facto membership scheme for free, as we all have supporter numbers.
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There won't be much benefit surely, and if our supporter numbers are the 'free' membership, then the only other type is 'paid' membership. And I can't see us getting anything much more with paid membership - it will be interesting to see what is on offer.
RTGAdmin said:
It is a way for the club to earn more money, and I would expect for your annual fee you will get priority access to home tickets before they go on ”general sale” and the chance to go on the season ticket waiting list
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These two things were available free (no membership)- home tickets are available anyway even on general sale, as is season ticket waiting list access - at no cost. A paid membership to get these two things won't go down well.
RTGAdmin said:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see overseas supporters getting priority access either. In the old days you would get a nice membership card too, but now you will just get access to the smartphone App that will exist as a marketing tool.
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Yup. The way of the world. 😀
 
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