Botchie
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She fine thanks. It went as fast as it came tbh, although it hung around for three weeks. One day she was ill, the next up and out for fresh air. Although the symptoms had passed she was feeling rotten.
Lockdown behind drop in COVID cases and deaths- not vaccinations
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He's an absolute idiot, thinks he is so superior to everyone else. I put him on ignore ages ago.
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ShieldsBlackCat2015
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No idea what he said but frankly you are certainly talking to the right guy about idiots who think they are superior to everyone who needs to be put on Ignore. Rob is certainly that.
I realised what a vile, hateful, horrible person he was ages ago. Him and @Brian Griffin.
Mind you most of the forum seems to be like that when it comes to yours truly.
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Mantobar
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I'm Sparticus
Brian Griffin
Striker
I think you need to take a look in the mirror.
You just act like a petulant child when you get called out on your attention seeking bullshit.
The fact you admitted you have 45 people on ignore says it all. The only common denominator between all 45 posters will be you.
I was talking about gaggowers or whatever his name is, not Rob. Rob seems ok.
ShieldsBlackCat2015
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Still waiting to hear who these 5,000 scientists are
Rob
Winger
Says Johnson
COVID-19: Lockdown is main reason for drop in coronavirus cases and deaths - not vaccinations, says Boris Johnson
The PM suggests the millions of jabs given over the past few months was not key to the reduction in COVID levels.news.sky.com
But Johnson is a manipulative, unprincipled, unadulterated liar with no substance or qualification to run things in this country - totally inept. Appreciate that this isn't Politics forum, but Johnson keeps wanting to drag the pandemic into politics (or at least when it suits him).
Anyhow, here's an article from the Telegraph in my terms confirming that he was speaking bollocks. The remaining question is why? I understand the need for a degree of caution, but stuff like Johnson spouted knocks everyone's end in.
Science has proved Boris Johnson wrong – vaccines are reducing deaths and cases
Study reveals stark difference in figures for elderly people who have been vaccinated compared to those who have not
www.telegraph.co.uk
Science has proved Boris Johnson wrong – vaccines are reducing deaths and cases
Study reveals stark difference in figures for elderly people who have been vaccinated compared to those who have not
Boris Johnson raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he suggested that the reduction in Covid infections, hospital admissions and deaths had not been achieved by the vaccination programme, with the lockdown doing "the bulk of the work". Thankfully, less than 24 hours later, science had proved the Prime Minister wrong.
New research from NHS England and the University of Manchester showed the stark difference in cases, admissions and deaths for elderly people who had been vaccinated compared to those who had not. In a large study involving more than 170,000 people, researchers had scrupulously case-matched participants to make sure the results were not skewed by underlying conditions, sex or geographical location.
The results show that far from having little impact, the rate of Covid-related hospital admissions fell by 75 per cent in vaccinated 80 to 83-year-olds within 35 to 41 days of their first dose of the Pfizer jab. The rate of people getting Covid dropped by 70 per cent, with the number of positive tests falling from 15.3 per 100,000 people to 4.6.
The authors conclude: "The nationwide vaccination of older adults in England with the [Pfizer] vaccine reduced the burden of Covid-19."
On Wednesday, Sir Simon Stevens, the NHS chief executive, told the Health Service Journal: "Vaccines are successfully reducing hospitalisations and deaths amongst the cohorts that have had the vaccine." The figures also suggest the link between infections and admissions has also been broken by the vaccine programme. While nearly 40 per cent of unvaccinated people who were infected ended up in hospital, only 32 per cent of the vaccinated cohort did.
On Wednesday, Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London and the lead scientist on the ZOE Covid Symptom Study app, said he had been "quite surprised" by Mr Johnson's comments and accused him of "living in a slightly different world". "The vaccination programme has been hugely successful and anyone who says it isn't really isn't looking at the data," he said. "Even last summer we were still seeing cases in care homes, and hospitals outbreaks. And by vaccinating hospital staff and the elderly, we broke that really deadly cycle.
"So there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the drop in rates is mainly due to the vaccination. Obviously lockdowns do have some effect, but the peak of infections was actually Jan 1 and that would have reflected what was going on a week before that, so actually you can't link the lockdown to exactly the drop in cases." Prof Spector, speaking to Talk Radio, added: "I think the vaccination programme has really saved us. After the second [dose], you're 20-fold less risk for getting infected, so to say that doesn't count is clearly not very scientific."
Last week, researchers at Imperial College found that the rate of infection fell in all age groups and regions across those two months, with figures also indicating the vaccine rollout could be breaking the link between infections, deaths and hospital admissions. According to the latest round of the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (React-1) study, just one in 500 people on average was still carrying the virus in March – a 60 per cent reduction.
Steven Riley, professor of infectious disease dynamics at Imperial, said the team had seen "some divergence" between observed patterns of infection and patterns of death since January. He said: "We think this probably suggests that the mass vaccination is breaking that link, to some degree, between infections and deaths." On Wednesday, experts said all the data was moving in the right direction and it was not surprising that the public was questioning why restrictions were still needed.
Professor David Spiegelhalter, the chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, told Radio 4's Today Programme: "All the indicators are running at extremely good levels. "Deaths are very low, well lower than the five-year average. Cases, hospitalisations, they're all very low, and this was completely predictable that around now people will say 'why do we need to wait another two months before we are free of all these restrictions?'. We've just got to say that they are being very cautious.
"I'm glad I'm not in charge because I'd probably say 'oh come on, let's have a go', but they do not want to have to go backwards."
On Wednesday, the Government was accused of allowing "sloppy" data which overestimated the number of people currently dying from Covid infections to be presented to the public.
On Tuesday, figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that almost 25 per cent of people registered as Covid deaths had died "with" the virus, rather than "from" it.
Diseases expert Professor Hugh Pennington said: "I've been going on about this for a long long time, because the definition of somebody dying 'from' Covid is that they've had a positive test within the last month or the month before they died.
"And the assumption is then made that it was Covid that finished them off as it were. That's very, very sloppy, really. I would hesitate to use the word overkill, but on the other hand it is really important to get accurate statistics so that we know exactly what's happening.
"And these are not accurate statistics – these are sort of a catch-all kind of number which we have to treat with very great caution. More than just caution, we have to treat those figures with a great deal of disrespect."
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Who is telling him to say the bollocks tho? Is he surrounded by advisors and scientists only telling him what they want him to say and hiding anything that contradicts thatBut Johnson is a manipulative, unprincipled, unadulterated liar with no substance or qualification to run things in this country - totally inept. Appreciate that this isn't Politics forum, but Johnson keeps wanting to drag the pandemic into politics (or at least when it suits him).
Anyhow, here's an article from the Telegraph in my terms confirming that he was speaking bollocks. The remaining question is why? I understand the need for a degree of caution, but stuff like Johnson spouted knocks everyone's end in.
Science has proved Boris Johnson wrong – vaccines are reducing deaths and cases
Study reveals stark difference in figures for elderly people who have been vaccinated compared to those who have not
Science has proved Boris Johnson wrong – vaccines are reducing deaths and cases
Study reveals stark difference in figures for elderly people who have been vaccinated compared to those who have not
Boris Johnson raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he suggested that the reduction in Covid infections, hospital admissions and deaths had not been achieved by the vaccination programme, with the lockdown doing "the bulk of the work". Thankfully, less than 24 hours later, science had proved the Prime Minister wrong.
New research from NHS England and the University of Manchester showed the stark difference in cases, admissions and deaths for elderly people who had been vaccinated compared to those who had not. In a large study involving more than 170,000 people, researchers had scrupulously case-matched participants to make sure the results were not skewed by underlying conditions, sex or geographical location.
The results show that far from having little impact, the rate of Covid-related hospital admissions fell by 75 per cent in vaccinated 80 to 83-year-olds within 35 to 41 days of their first dose of the Pfizer jab. The rate of people getting Covid dropped by 70 per cent, with the number of positive tests falling from 15.3 per 100,000 people to 4.6.
The authors conclude: "The nationwide vaccination of older adults in England with the [Pfizer] vaccine reduced the burden of Covid-19."
On Wednesday, Sir Simon Stevens, the NHS chief executive, told the Health Service Journal: "Vaccines are successfully reducing hospitalisations and deaths amongst the cohorts that have had the vaccine." The figures also suggest the link between infections and admissions has also been broken by the vaccine programme. While nearly 40 per cent of unvaccinated people who were infected ended up in hospital, only 32 per cent of the vaccinated cohort did.
On Wednesday, Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London and the lead scientist on the ZOE Covid Symptom Study app, said he had been "quite surprised" by Mr Johnson's comments and accused him of "living in a slightly different world". "The vaccination programme has been hugely successful and anyone who says it isn't really isn't looking at the data," he said. "Even last summer we were still seeing cases in care homes, and hospitals outbreaks. And by vaccinating hospital staff and the elderly, we broke that really deadly cycle.
"So there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the drop in rates is mainly due to the vaccination. Obviously lockdowns do have some effect, but the peak of infections was actually Jan 1 and that would have reflected what was going on a week before that, so actually you can't link the lockdown to exactly the drop in cases." Prof Spector, speaking to Talk Radio, added: "I think the vaccination programme has really saved us. After the second [dose], you're 20-fold less risk for getting infected, so to say that doesn't count is clearly not very scientific."
Last week, researchers at Imperial College found that the rate of infection fell in all age groups and regions across those two months, with figures also indicating the vaccine rollout could be breaking the link between infections, deaths and hospital admissions. According to the latest round of the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (React-1) study, just one in 500 people on average was still carrying the virus in March – a 60 per cent reduction.
Steven Riley, professor of infectious disease dynamics at Imperial, said the team had seen "some divergence" between observed patterns of infection and patterns of death since January. He said: "We think this probably suggests that the mass vaccination is breaking that link, to some degree, between infections and deaths." On Wednesday, experts said all the data was moving in the right direction and it was not surprising that the public was questioning why restrictions were still needed.
Professor David Spiegelhalter, the chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, told Radio 4's Today Programme: "All the indicators are running at extremely good levels. "Deaths are very low, well lower than the five-year average. Cases, hospitalisations, they're all very low, and this was completely predictable that around now people will say 'why do we need to wait another two months before we are free of all these restrictions?'. We've just got to say that they are being very cautious.
"I'm glad I'm not in charge because I'd probably say 'oh come on, let's have a go', but they do not want to have to go backwards."
On Wednesday, the Government was accused of allowing "sloppy" data which overestimated the number of people currently dying from Covid infections to be presented to the public.
On Tuesday, figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that almost 25 per cent of people registered as Covid deaths had died "with" the virus, rather than "from" it.
Diseases expert Professor Hugh Pennington said: "I've been going on about this for a long long time, because the definition of somebody dying 'from' Covid is that they've had a positive test within the last month or the month before they died.
"And the assumption is then made that it was Covid that finished them off as it were. That's very, very sloppy, really. I would hesitate to use the word overkill, but on the other hand it is really important to get accurate statistics so that we know exactly what's happening.
"And these are not accurate statistics – these are sort of a catch-all kind of number which we have to treat with very great caution. More than just caution, we have to treat those figures with a great deal of disrespect."
Rob
Winger
It's a great question, that I don't have an answer for. There is a paradox as he may have these advisors wanting him to stick to a line, but he is also under pressure from a significant anti lockdown lobby in his own party. Whatever I think of him (not much) I have a degree of sympathy that keeping the conflicting forces at bay is tough, even for a proper leader.
The Great MES
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The worst thing is he's a Luton fan, and yet I don't see him on any other part of rtg apart from his constant shit stirring on the coronavirus forum. Absolutely bizarre behaviour.
Look harder weirdo.
The Great MES
Striker
Fuck off you sad little prick.
Chuckles in Luton.
The Great MES
Striker
Lucky you living in Luton
Phew !
He has good taste, the stats show many on here feel the same.You've made a friend in the forum crackerjack
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The Great MES
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You're the first non mag in my ignore list.
Bye, have a nice day.
