Lets All Laugh At Newcastle (Again!)

[The Fish]

At whos expense?

Christ alive are you serious?

This is usually true but this year bc 3 teams were fighting for the 1 survival spot to the wire ...

Yes, there were 3 teams fighting for survival, because of each team's results. Had Palace continued their spectacular collapse there may have been 4 teams fighting for survival. It's down to each team to survive, not rely on the results other teams.

 

[CARLOS CLASS]

It's not a yes or no situation though. He dramatically improved the club's form and performances, he brought performances from players who most fans had given up on and he's laid groundwork for future good work. If all you need is for me to type the words "Rafa Benitez didn't keep Newcastle up", then I'd say there you go. I hope that gives you succour in times of need.



I've been through this far too many times for you not to have read it. Sunderland's results kept Sunderland up, Newcastle's results sent Newcastle down.

They aren't exclusive events though for goodness sake. Your results would have kept you up if ours had been worse!

Oh and Bebitez failed. He was brought in with only 1 goal, to keep you up. He didn't so he failed

 

[bedlington mackem]

It's not a yes or no situation though. He dramatically improved the club's form and performances, he brought performances from players who most fans had given up on and he's laid groundwork for future good work. If all you need is for me to type the words "Rafa Benitez didn't keep Newcastle up", then I'd say there you go. I hope that gives you succour in times of need.

I think the Spurs game is masking that a bit. While points tally / per game ratio improved it is arguable about performances. Certainly John Anderson on Total Sport didnt think performances had improved that much.
How could Newcastle not score against Villa when Watford and Southampton combined put 7 past them prior to the games and Arsenal 4 after. That was the game yous had to win

 

[123SunTan]

Christ alive are you serious?


Yes, there were 3 teams fighting for survival, because of each team's results. Had Palace continued their spectacular collapse there may have been 4 teams fighting for survival. It's down to each team to survive, not rely on the results other teams.

That's the point. The team that finishes 17th sets the survival line and relegated the 3 teams below. So this year we relegated ...

 

[Boinger]

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[Blackness]

Now look here, my dear Fish.

The chaps and I down at the club have had a little chat, and though we recognise your valiant rear-guard action in support of your most beloved Newcastle United soccer team : rather reminds me of that carry-on at Rorke's Drift : we feel it's time to offer you the chance of an early retirement from your increasing tomfoolery. Why not put your feet up and reminisce on all those close shaves and near misses from, Good Lord, is it really twenty years ago?!

You know we all enjoy a jolly jape as much as the next man, but concerning this unfortunate business with relegation, why not just take it like a man? Stiff upper lip and all that.

There's a good chap.

 

[The Fish]

They aren't exclusive events though for goodness sake. Your results would have kept you up if ours had been worse!

Oh and Bebitez failed. He was brought in with only 1 goal, to keep you up. He didn't so he failed

Do you realise you've just made my point? Our results are ultimately the thing that dictated our league status, not yours. Our results weren't good enough to stay up.

I think the Spurs game is masking that a bit. While points tally / per game ratio improved it is arguable about performances. Certainly John Anderson on Total Sport didnt think performances had improved that much.
How could Newcastle not score against Villa when Watford and Southampton combined put 7 past them prior to the games and Arsenal 4 after. That was the game yous had to win

Oh well, if a Totalsport pundit says something I will bow to him. That's like saying Michael Owen says X so it must be the case. Performances did improve under Rafa, as did results. The latter is demonstrably true.

How didn't everybody do the double over Spurs? We did and we're shit. How didn't spurs beat us? They needed to in order to secure 2nd and their first season ahead of arsenal in, what, twenty years?

The occasion clearly got to the attacking players who fluffed their lines, shit happens.

Now look here, my dear Fish.

The chaps and I down at the club have had a little chat, and though we recognise your valiant rear-guard action in support of your most beloved Newcastle United soccer team : rather reminds me of that carry-on at Rorke's Drift : we feel it's time to offer you the chance of an early retirement from your increasing tomfoolery. Why not put your feet up and reminisce on all those close shaves and near misses from, Good Lord, is it really twenty years ago?!

You know we all enjoy a jolly jape as much as the next man, but concerning this unfortunate business with relegation, why not just take it like a man? Stiff upper lip and all that.

There's a good chap.

Finally, someone who talks a bit of sense. Apart, of course, from the accusation that I'm not taking relegation like a good Tommy.

 

[123SunTan]

Do you realise you've just made my point? Our results are ultimately the thing that dictated our league status, not yours. Our results weren't good enough to stay up.




Oh well, if a Totalsport pundit says something I will bow to him. That's like saying Michael Owen says X so it must be the case. Performances did improve under Rafa, as did results. The latter is demonstrably true.

How didn't everybody do the double over Spurs? We did and we're shit. How didn't spurs beat us? They needed to in order to secure 2nd and their first season ahead of arsenal in, what, twenty years?

The occasion clearly got to the attacking players who fluffed their lines, shit happens.


Finally, someone who talks a bit of sense. Apart, of course, from the accusation that I'm not taking relegation like a good Tommy.

Your results were good enough to stay up but ours was better

 

[The Fish]

Your results were good enough to stay up but ours was better

No, I said our results weren't good enough to stay up.

 

[Reiver]

Are you still flogging this dead horse? Desperate man. Let it go, we relegated you.

The record books will forever state that.

Kids looking back in 20 years will appreciate that.

Fish can't grasp it then reckons I have twisted logic.

Whatever brought Newcastle to that point, it's a fact that we finished them off.

 

[Blackness]

No, I said our results weren't good enough to stay up.

In defence of the good person stating that "your results were good enough to stay up but ours was better" one has to recognise a certain truth to that.

Had our results not been better than your results, we would have been relegated in your place. There really is no denying that, and so it follows the obverse cannot be denied either. Newcastle United were relegated due to the actions of Sunderland Association Football Club.

To state otherwise would indicate an overly early start on the sauce, old bean.

 

[CARLOS CLASS]

Do you realise you've just made my point? Our results are ultimately the thing that dictated our league status, not yours. Our results weren't good enough to stay up.




Oh well, if a Totalsport pundit says something I will bow to him. That's like saying Michael Owen says X so it must be the case. Performances did improve under Rafa, as did results. The latter is demonstrably true.

How didn't everybody do the double over Spurs? We did and we're shit. How didn't spurs beat us? They needed to in order to secure 2nd and their first season ahead of arsenal in, what, twenty years?

The occasion clearly got to the attacking players who fluffed their lines, shit happens.


Finally, someone who talks a bit of sense. Apart, of course, from the accusation that I'm not taking relegation like a good Tommy.

Are you really this stupid?????

League positions are decided on relative results, not a teams results in isolation

 

[Boinger]

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[LineTrash]

Oh dear. It's not all about you lot, old boy. We lost to better and worse sides than you in the 15/16 season, it wasn't just the Sunderland results that sent us down, it was those results and the other 36 too.

It may give your season the cherry on top, and you should enjoy that, but saying you sent us down is like saying you also sent Norwich down, (which I've not seen anyone crowing about thus far) or Everton's performance sent us down (which I've not seen anyone claiming). Charnley, McClaren and the players sent us down, you just got to enjoy the show.


Context dear boy, context.

 

[prica's crown]

37 points would usually be enough like

but who knows what would have happened if toon beat villa-would we have went and thrashed everton?

Even if we hadn't, we would have played full strength v Watford instead of the misfits and id say would be likely we won, based on the rational we were robbed of a win with our fringe players and kids

Toon may have choked if they knew they had to beat spurs

 

[Deleted User 18963]

Moussa Sissoko "has absolutely no intention of remaining at Newcastle," & West Ham have reportedly approached him

One of the first rats to jump

 

[The Fish]

In defence of the good person stating that "your results were good enough to stay up but ours was better" one has to recognise a certain truth to that.

Had our results not been better than your results, we would have been relegated in your place. There really is no denying that, and so it follows the obverse cannot be denied either. Newcastle United were relegated due to the actions of Sunderland Association Football Club.

To state otherwise would indicate an overly early start on the sauce, old bean.

I respectfully disagree. While Sunderland AFC's results were not of little import, they were not the driving force behind Newcastle United's relegation. No more than Everton's or Norwich's. The credit must go to Newcastle United chiefly, then the 19 other teams in the Premier League thereafter. Had Norwich, Everton & Arsenal bothered to turn up for games against yourselves or Crystal Palace we would have survived. Had we turned up against Villa (a), Bournemouth (h) and Stoke (a) we would have survived.

I understand why it would be pleasing to be the chief architects of a rival team's relegation, but unless we were level on points, GD, and had met in the final game of the season to decide who survived or not, it's just not true. You discount the 19 other teams whose results shaped the table, you've discounted 37 other games which shaped Newcastle United's season. You've done so, because it suits the narrative that "Sunderland sent Newcastle down.", which, while poetic, isn't accurate.

Much as the line that the wins against Newcastle kept you up in the previous few seasons, they helped, but they weren't the sole reason for your survival, as you accrued points from other games either side of that result, didn't you?

 

[Jardin]

Oh well, if a Totalsport pundit says something I will bow to him. That's like saying Michael Owen says X so it must be the case. Performances did improve under Rafa, as did results. The latter is demonstrably true.

How didn't everybody do the double over Spurs? We did and we're shit. How didn't spurs beat us? They needed to in order to secure 2nd and their first season ahead of arsenal in, what, twenty years?

The occasion clearly got to the attacking players who fluffed their lines, shit happens.

An interesting point, both McClaren and Benitez managed Newcastle to victories over Spurs. McClaren did it prior to the January transfers, in an away match following a victory over Liverpool, before then drawing the next game against Villa. Which one is the saviour, I am finding it hard to tell their results apart.

 

[The Fish]

Moussa Sissoko "has absolutely no intention of remaining at Newcastle," & West Ham have reportedly approached him

One of the first rats to jump

No great loss when he goes and we should still get a decent profit from any sale.

An interesting point, both McClaren and Benitez managed Newcastle to victories over Spurs. McClaren did it prior to the January transfers, in an away match following a victory over Liverpool, before then drawing the next game against Villa. Which one is the saviour, I am finding it hard to tell their results apart.

I can help if you like, but I suspect you're being a cheeky monkey.

 

[Eamon]

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