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Lets All Laugh At Newcastle (Again!)

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The Fish said:
Employ the right men beneath him to properly run a football club, instead of promoting the teaboy to Director because it's cheap.



Perhaps Colback was a stretch :lol: , mind I'd have said the same was true of Barton and Nolan, yet they were different players after our relegation.



I've been through this elsewhere before, but essentially the situations are different. Rafa isn't the firebrand motivator that those men were, the team he inherited weren't grafters, the failures to address key weaknesses in the squad and so on and so forth.

He's not blameless (I'd personally have started Mitrovic in the games against Villa and Palace), but ten games wasn't enough time for that manager to fix those problems at this club.
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I would agree, Barton and Nolan though horrible kernts definitely had character and physique, Colback is just a ginger spenk.
 

danbob said:
I would agree, Barton and Nolan though horrible kernts definitely had character and physique, Colback is just a ginger spenk.
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Barton is a weedy little shit, but by Christ he doesn't mind putting himself about and he isn't afraid to get clattered in the process.

Remember Lee Hendrie from Villa, or Jody Morris from Chelsea? Little buggers were how I see Colback should be. Pests that buzz around the pitch breaking up attacks and rile the opposition up.
 
The Fish said:
I think it's a brilliant appointment, but at the wrong time. He should have come in straight after the Chelsea game (ideally he should have come in after Pardew left, but that's another thing). I don't think he'll be staying, but a couple of journalists I respect are saying that he's not adverse to the idea. If we had to wait until 10 games before the end of the season we might have been better with a firebrand like Pearson, but could you honestly see him getting performances from Sissoko? from Wijnaldum? I doubt it.



Ashley also went on record to say that he'd learnt from his mistakes. I wouldn't trust him if he told me grass was green.

To answer your question I'd say the following. Last season showed a change of tack, he was no longer afraid to spend money and Townsend and Shelvey were the antithesis of his traditional approach. Two English players over 24 for sizeable sums. He will want to return to the Premier League as quickly as possible and will know that the best way to do that is to have Premier League players in the team. Newcastle are the 18th richest club on the planet. Financially we'll be fine. Ashley claiming the pot is empty is bollocks. He's hardly going to declare that we're loaded, now is he? How would that help him secure good transfer deals, how would that benefit him in contract negotiations? I know the hope is that Newcastle disappear down the leagues and and bankrupt before you can blink, but it just isn't going to happen unless something truly drastic happens.


I do attend matches, some of them will be yes, are you expecting an exodus? I'm not offended dear boy, I'm amused that you're incapable of having a discussion without needing to resort to schoolground taunts. Other Sunderland fans are more than capable of having discourse with Newcastle fans without the need to throw insults around and, if you are semi-retired, I'd worry that a grown man is unable to speak thusly.
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Yet more bizarre ramblings Neil!
 
The Fish said:
I think it's a brilliant appointment, but at the wrong time. He should have come in straight after the Chelsea game (ideally he should have come in after Pardew left, but that's another thing). I don't think he'll be staying, but a couple of journalists I respect are saying that he's not adverse to the idea. If we had to wait until 10 games before the end of the season we might have been better with a firebrand like Pearson, but could you honestly see him getting performances from Sissoko? from Wijnaldum? I doubt it.



Ashley also went on record to say that he'd learnt from his mistakes. I wouldn't trust him if he told me grass was green.

To answer your question I'd say the following. Last season showed a change of tack, he was no longer afraid to spend money and Townsend and Shelvey were the antithesis of his traditional approach. Two English players over 24 for sizeable sums. He will want to return to the Premier League as quickly as possible and will know that the best way to do that is to have Premier League players in the team. Newcastle are the 18th richest club on the planet. Financially we'll be fine. Ashley claiming the pot is empty is bollocks. He's hardly going to declare that we're loaded, now is he? How would that help him secure good transfer deals, how would that benefit him in contract negotiations? I know the hope is that Newcastle disappear down the leagues and and bankrupt before you can blink, but it just isn't going to happen unless something truly drastic happens.


I do attend matches, some of them will be yes, are you expecting an exodus? I'm not offended dear boy, I'm amused that you're incapable of having a discussion without needing to resort to schoolground taunts. Other Sunderland fans are more than capable of having discourse with Newcastle fans without the need to throw insults around and, if you are semi-retired, I'd worry that a grown man is unable to speak thusly.
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Averse thicko. ;)
 
The Fish said:
I'll answer the first bit, but the last question is a bit misleading.

The jibes about the Johnson scandal were in response to some wags trying to get a rise out of them. I think if a sunderland fan went on there and asked, in a reasonable fashion, for our opinions on the whole mess they'd see that the criticism falls mostly on the way the club behaved, and the behaviour of some of your fans (declaring they wouldn't care if he was guilty they'd still play him and declaring the victim was to blame etc.). If you were to ask if the perception was that all sunderland fans knew he was a sex offender and still applauded him, they'd say not. (I am, of course, speaking generally, there will be a couple of members who wouldn't respond reasonably to a reasonable question, just as there are members on this board who're similarly incapable.)

On the whole the consensus is that Sunderland A.F.C. knew he was pleading guilty to lesser counts and, on balance, thought it was acceptable to field him. That decision was likely made at a boardroom level and that decision was likely influenced by Johnson's perceived value to the team at that time ( it is the pervading wisdom that if he were a reserve player he'd have remained suspended). This was a board decision, not a fans decision. This was the club's fault, not the fans' fault.

In response to the last question, I'd honestly say that Sunderland had little to do with our relegation; McClaren wasn't able to plot a course with an expensive if unbalanced side, Benitez hasn't had time to right the ship, let alone turn the ship around. This relegation comes because of mismanagement from owner down. The villains in our story don't play in red and white, or claret and blue, they wear suits and are temporary custodians of Newcastle United.
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Sunderland had little to do with your relegation? Probably not other than taking 4 points off you and finishing above you ;)
 
The Fish said:
.. a sunderland fan criticising a team of Newcastle players? Say it ain't so :lol:



Rang alarm bells with me certainly, but you know what it's like when a new player has a few good games. You suddenly think his old team was mad to let him go. Few more games as he slowly completes his transformation into the invisible man and you realise they weren't being bitter at all.

I'm sure there were people cockahoop at the Lens signing?


I'd hardly call Mbemba, Lascelles, Colback, Perez or Armstrong "Weak as fuck" mind, but I suppose an objective view would be unexpected.



I'm mustn't be explaining myself clearly enough.

Essentially, the stories you're being told about us being financially fucked aren't true. Take a wander over to the Swissramble site, or simply the Deloitte richest clubs on the planet list. Financially we're fine, it's just on the pitch that things are poopy. :D
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Just seen some of your posts on your own forum

I suggest you fuck off you black and white bastard. Coming on here messing up our board pretending to be a canny lad FTM. Enjoy Burton, thats if you even go to games which I very much doubt
 
The Fish said:
Assuming those players go (along with some others) it would leave us with

Elliott/Darlow
XXXX Mbemba Lascelles Mbabu
Colback/Anita XXXX
XXXX de Jong Perez
Armstrong
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The Spine we had last time was

Harper/Krul
XXXX Colo Taylor Enrique
Smith Butt
Nolan Barton Jonas
Ameobi


Most people thought the 3 foreign lads would be off, but suitors were scared off by their wages, their previous poor performances and their transfer fee. For the same reason I could see us hanging onto Mitrovic, Townsend, Shelvey.

I don't think Rafa will stick around.
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I've no idea how true it is but there is a very strong rumour that he has an £8m "escape" clause built into his contract and I can't see his wages being a problem for any Premier League team.

The big problem is getting rid of under achievers on high wages that your manager next season (whoever that might be) doesn't rate and if there are no takers will invariably end up being sent out on loan, with NUFC paying the majority of their wages.
 
heroesof73 said:
Sunderland had little to do with your relegation? Probably not other than taking 4 points off you and finishing above you ;)
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We've played 35 other games. Not won many of them either :lol:

Wayne The Punk said:
Just seen some of your posts on your own forum

I suggest you fuck off you black and white bastard. Coming on here messing up our board pretending to be a canny lad FTM. Enjoy Burton, thats if you even go to games which I very much doubt
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Which of my posts on the message board have offended you so?

Laeotaekhun said:
I've no idea how true it is but there is a very strong rumour that he has an £8m "escape" clause built into his contract and I can't see his wages being a problem for any Premier League team.

The big problem is getting rid of under achievers on high wages that your manager next season (whoever that might be) doesn't rate and if there are no takers will invariably end up being sent out on loan, with NUFC paying the majority of their wages.
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Managed it last time. Got shot of Martins, Viduka, Owen, Duff, etc.
 
The Fish said:
I think it's a brilliant appointment, but at the wrong time. He should have come in straight after the Chelsea game (ideally he should have come in after Pardew left, but that's another thing). I don't think he'll be staying, but a couple of journalists I respect are saying that he's not adverse to the idea. If we had to wait until 10 games before the end of the season we might have been better with a firebrand like Pearson, but could you honestly see him getting performances from Sissoko? from Wijnaldum? I doubt it.
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The far spanish waiter really got them ticking mind.
 
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