Lets All Laugh At Newcastle (Again!)

[Pirate Jet]

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[Zig81]

No. Surely if you're able to post on a message board from work it's reasonable that others can? Unless you're not at work?
Who am I pretending to be?
I disagree and I'm not sure why you're unable to have a conversation without ad hominem attacks?
Thanks, but my names not Neil.

You seem awfully angry.

Not at work, semi retired Neil. Your internet persona is embarrassing, surely nobody in real life is such a bell sniffer as you make yourself out to be. You seem to accuse many of being angry, assumptions seem to prevalent with you.

Back to your good spine, it's as weak as piss, no fight, no leader. Take a look at our spine, that's a solid spine with players who want to fight, leaders on the pitch, strong with a good work ethic.

 

[Deleted member 6830]

Really? You only think 4-3 players will be good enough for the Championship?

Which positions do you think we'll need strengthening? I think the back line will be good enough for the Championship given Colocinni Taylor Simpson and Enrique were a class above last time. Centre of the park will be fine even after we lose Sissoko & Wijnaldum. Young Aarons will be canny on the left and I can see the Mad Serb getting double figures in the Championship. The prices and wages might put off a fair few suitors as well.

How many of these will you sell willingly or be forced to sell ??
Krul Janmatt Mbemba Wijnaldum Sissoko Townsend Shelvey Perez Mitrovic Cisse Tiote DeJong Thauvin Riviere Saivet Cabella.

I just hope Coco stays for his final year and that Taylor is offered a new deal.

 

[richest]

Ah Micky...

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[air asia]

Rafa on the phone with Sir Mike next season....

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[richest]

Kinnear on Kebabs et all...

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And the reply... from the fat Geordie... well worth a listen...

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[The Fish]

@The Fish : I've been looking at toontastic and reading some of the comments that your fellow Newcastle supporters have been making regarding "deluded mags" "Geordie nations" and the Johnson scandal etc. I'm not going to register on that site to comment, but interested in your opinion all the same. You seem like a reasonable articulate and intelligent chap.

It would appear that whilst your fellow supporters are happy to argue that the stereotypes we apply to them are the outcome of confirmation bias and that the vast majority of Newcastle supporters are not deluded, bitter or bed sheet scrawling 'Geordie nation-ists' they seem quite content to apply the very strange principle that all Sunderland supporters are supportive of playing a convicted paedophile in the team as long as he scores a goal or two to avoid relegation - and that we are all supportive of some kind of 'petition' with which I'm unfamiliar.

To be honest I don't recognise a lot if the references but maybe I'm out of touch.

It seems strange to me that in defence of themselves and in arguing against the application of unconscious biase toward them, they should apply the same principle against their perceived critics.

I'm not going to argue regarding the facts of what Sunderland supporters actually knew or were told about the Johnson affair. They, because of their bias would say - well what they have said, and vice versa.

But does it hurt more, or less, regarding your own clubs plight to assume that the plight only exists because the opposition are evil?

I'll answer the first bit, but the last question is a bit misleading.

The jibes about the Johnson scandal were in response to some wags trying to get a rise out of them. I think if a sunderland fan went on there and asked, in a reasonable fashion, for our opinions on the whole mess they'd see that the criticism falls mostly on the way the club behaved, and the behaviour of some of your fans (declaring they wouldn't care if he was guilty they'd still play him and declaring the victim was to blame etc.). If you were to ask if the perception was that all sunderland fans knew he was a sex offender and still applauded him, they'd say not. (I am, of course, speaking generally, there will be a couple of members who wouldn't respond reasonably to a reasonable question, just as there are members on this board who're similarly incapable.)

On the whole the consensus is that Sunderland A.F.C. knew he was pleading guilty to lesser counts and, on balance, thought it was acceptable to field him. That decision was likely made at a boardroom level and that decision was likely influenced by Johnson's perceived value to the team at that time ( it is the pervading wisdom that if he were a reserve player he'd have remained suspended). This was a board decision, not a fans decision. This was the club's fault, not the fans' fault.

In response to the last question, I'd honestly say that Sunderland had little to do with our relegation; McClaren wasn't able to plot a course with an expensive if unbalanced side, Benitez hasn't had time to right the ship, let alone turn the ship around. This relegation comes because of mismanagement from owner down. The villains in our story don't play in red and white, or claret and blue, they wear suits and are temporary custodians of Newcastle United.

 

[Deleted member 14766]

I'll answer the first bit, but the last question is a bit misleading.

The jibes about the Johnson scandal were in response to some wags trying to get a rise out of them. I think if a sunderland fan went on there and asked, in a reasonable fashion, for our opinions on the whole mess they'd see that the criticism falls mostly on the way the club behaved, and the behaviour of some of your fans (declaring they wouldn't care if he was guilty they'd still play him and declaring the victim was to blame etc.). If you were to ask if the perception was that all sunderland fans knew he was a sex offender and still applauded him, they'd say not. (I am, of course, speaking generally, there will be a couple of members who wouldn't respond reasonably to a reasonable question, just as there are members on this board who're similarly incapable.)

On the whole the consensus is that Sunderland A.F.C. knew he was pleading guilty to lesser counts and, on balance, thought it was acceptable to field him. That decision was likely made at a boardroom level and that decision was likely influenced by Johnson's perceived value to the team at that time ( it is the pervading wisdom that if he were a reserve player he'd have remained suspended). This was a board decision, not a fans decision. This was the club's fault, not the fans' fault.

In response to the last question, I'd honestly say that Sunderland had little to do with our relegation; McClaren wasn't able to plot a course with an expensive if unbalanced side, Benitez hasn't had time to right the ship, let alone turn the ship around. This relegation comes because of mismanagement from owner down. The villains in our story don't play in red and white, or claret and blue, they wear suits and are temporary custodians of Newcastle United.

I'm in too much trouble with the missus for posting on a football message board whilst on holiday in Italy: so I'll defer any response and clarification till another time

 

[Laeotaekhun]

Aye someone put a link up last night. Tbf there were plenty of balanced views like we deserved to stay up and anger towards their own lot but a lot more shit crack and superior bitterness.

I've always thought that more sensible, balanced posters are on this one.

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They still get the odd idiot, of course, but I think (could be wrong) that the average is probably older than "Toontastic" etc.

 

[The Fish]

Not at work, semi retired Neil. Your internet persona is embarrassing, surely nobody in real life is such a bell sniffer as you make yourself out to be. You seem to accuse many of being angry, assumptions seem to prevalent with you.

Back to your good spine, it's as weak as piss, no fight, no leader. Take a look at our spine, that's a solid spine with players who want to fight, leaders on the pitch, strong with a good work ethic.

Lascelles is a leader. Elliott, Mbemba, Colback & Mitrovic have character and physique. Try to set down your sunderland glasses a moment and you'll see I'm being reasonable. When I ask if you're angry it's because of the aggressive tone of your text. You insult and seek to antagonise rather than have discourse.

How many of these will you sell willingly or be forced to sell ??
Krul Janmatt Mbemba Wijnaldum Sissoko Townsend Shelvey Perez Mitrovic Cisse Tiote DeJong Thauvin Riviere Saivet Cabella.

I just hope Coco stays for his final year and that Taylor is offered a new deal.

I'd say of that group we'd seek to sell Cabella, Cisse, de Jong, Riviere, Saivet, Thauvin, Tiote
We'd willingly sell everyone else, but then we'd willing sell everyone on the books.

If we were to sell all of the players you've listed, how much do you think we could get? I'd say it'd be comfortably north of £50m.

I'm in too much trouble with the missus for posting on a football message board whilst on holiday in Italy: so I'll defer any response and clarification till another time

No worries, but why are you on here instead of sipping Moscato d'Asti looking out over Lake Como (or wherever you are).

 

[andysfootball]

I'll answer the first bit, but the last question is a bit misleading.

The jibes about the Johnson scandal were in response to some wags trying to get a rise out of them. I think if a sunderland fan went on there and asked, in a reasonable fashion, for our opinions on the whole mess they'd see that the criticism falls mostly on the way the club behaved, and the behaviour of some of your fans (declaring they wouldn't care if he was guilty they'd still play him and declaring the victim was to blame etc.). If you were to ask if the perception was that all sunderland fans knew he was a sex offender and still applauded him, they'd say not. (I am, of course, speaking generally, there will be a couple of members who wouldn't respond reasonably to a reasonable question, just as there are members on this board who're similarly incapable.)

On the whole the consensus is that Sunderland A.F.C. knew he was pleading guilty to lesser counts and, on balance, thought it was acceptable to field him. That decision was likely made at a boardroom level and that decision was likely influenced by Johnson's perceived value to the team at that time ( it is the pervading wisdom that if he were a reserve player he'd have remained suspended). This was a board decision, not a fans decision. This was the club's fault, not the fans' fault.

In response to the last question, I'd honestly say that Sunderland had little to do with our relegation; McClaren wasn't able to plot a course with an expensive if unbalanced side, Benitez hasn't had time to right the ship, let alone turn the ship around. This relegation comes because of mismanagement from owner down. The villains in our story don't play in red and white, or claret and blue, they wear suits and are temporary custodians of Newcastle United.

what the fuck is Ashley supposed to do
put a top on a score goals?

 

[danbob]

Lascelles is a leader. Elliott, Mbemba, Colback & Mitrovic have character and physique. Try to set down your sunderland glasses a moment and you'll see I'm being reasonable. When I ask if you're angry it's because of the aggressive tone of your text. You insult and seek to antagonise rather than have discourse.



I'd say of that group we'd seek to sell Cabella, Cisse, de Jong, Riviere, Saivet, Thauvin, Tiote
We'd willingly sell everyone else, but then we'd willing sell everyone on the books.

If we were to sell all of the players you've listed, how much do you think we could get? I'd say it'd be comfortably north of £50m.


No worries, but why are you on here instead of sipping Moscato d'Asti looking out over Lake Como (or wherever you are).

I have seen that ginger clown through my red and white tinted glasses, and at no point did I ever think he had either of the attributes your applying to him. He was a coward who hid when the going got tough, hardly ever made himself available for a pass in a difficult situation and was weak as piss in a tackle. Since he joined your lot he seems to have developed a bit of a nasty streak, sly tackles, shoves, pulls and whining at the referee, I assume this was to do with the coaching he received off Pardiola, but if you think he has character and physique, then it explains why you got relegated.

 

[johnson]

I'll answer the first bit, but the last question is a bit misleading.

The jibes about the Johnson scandal were in response to some wags trying to get a rise out of them. I think if a sunderland fan went on there and asked, in a reasonable fashion, for our opinions on the whole mess they'd see that the criticism falls mostly on the way the club behaved, and the behaviour of some of your fans (declaring they wouldn't care if he was guilty they'd still play him and declaring the victim was to blame etc.). If you were to ask if the perception was that all sunderland fans knew he was a sex offender and still applauded him, they'd say not. (I am, of course, speaking generally, there will be a couple of members who wouldn't respond reasonably to a reasonable question, just as there are members on this board who're similarly incapable.)

On the whole the consensus is that Sunderland A.F.C. knew he was pleading guilty to lesser counts and, on balance, thought it was acceptable to field him. That decision was likely made at a boardroom level and that decision was likely influenced by Johnson's perceived value to the team at that time ( it is the pervading wisdom that if he were a reserve player he'd have remained suspended). This was a board decision, not a fans decision. This was the club's fault, not the fans' fault.

In response to the last question, I'd honestly say that Sunderland had little to do with our relegation; McClaren wasn't able to plot a course with an expensive if unbalanced side, Benitez hasn't had time to right the ship, let alone turn the ship around. This relegation comes because of mismanagement from owner down. The villains in our story don't play in red and white, or claret and blue, they wear suits and are temporary custodians of Newcastle United.

Absolute shite he had more time than Di Canio and Dick did, with a better squad, he failed massively. Couldn't beat Villa, Norwich, or Sunderland.

 

[The Fish]

what the fuck is Ashley supposed to do
put a top on a score goals?

Employ the right men beneath him to properly run a football club, instead of promoting the teaboy to Director because it's cheap.

I have seen that ginger clown through my red and white tinted glasses, and at no point did I ever think he had either of the attributes your applying to him. He was a coward who hid when the going got tough, hardly ever made himself available for a pass in a difficult situation and was weak as piss in a tackle. Since he joined your lot he seems to have developed a bit of a nasty streak, sly tackles, shoves, pulls and whining at the referee, I assume this was to do with the coaching he received off Pardiola, but if you think he has character and physique, then it explains why you got relegated.

Perhaps Colback was a stretch , mind I'd have said the same was true of Barton and Nolan, yet they were different players after our relegation.

Absolute shite he had more time than Di Canio and Dick did, with a better squad, he failed massively. Couldn't beat Villa, Norwich, or Sunderland.

I've been through this elsewhere before, but essentially the situations are different. Rafa isn't the firebrand motivator that those men were, the team he inherited weren't grafters, the failures to address key weaknesses in the squad and so on and so forth.

He's not blameless (I'd personally have started Mitrovic in the games against Villa and Palace), but ten games wasn't enough time for that manager to fix those problems at this club.

 

[Boris Bear]

Employ the right men beneath him to properly run a football club, instead of promoting the teaboy to Director because it's cheap.



Perhaps Colback was a stretch , mind I'd have said the same was true of Barton and Nolan, yet they were different players after our relegation.

Are you still on here crying and trying to pretend your world hasn't fallen apart?

 

[johnson]

Employ the right men beneath him to properly run a football club, instead of promoting the teaboy to Director because it's cheap.



Perhaps Colback was a stretch , mind I'd have said the same was true of Barton and Nolan, yet they were different players after our relegation.



I've been through this elsewhere before, but essentially the situations are different. Rafa isn't the firebrand motivator that those men were, the team he inherited weren't grafters, the failures to address key weaknesses in the squad and so on and so forth.

He's not blameless (I'd personally have started Mitrovic in the games against Villa and Palace), but ten games wasn't enough time for that manager to fix those problems at this club.

Dick is not a firebrand motivator like, he was very tactically astute, and quickly realised how to set the team up.

Your bloke lost 3 of his first 4 games, and couldn't beat any of his rivals, he was terrible.

You've missed the point, you don't fix the clubs problems, you just do enough to keep you up, you have to go hell for leather, its why it was such a strange appointment to start with

I can't honestly believe you will appoint him in the championship

 

[Laeotaekhun]

Shola Ameobi scored double figures, as did Peter Lovenkrands. I don't think it's as hard as you're making out. Hell Abel Hernandez has scored 20 and Gary Hooper has 13.

Newcastle will pay to get out of that league asap. We've £40m in the bank, say we make another £20m in player sales (not unlikely if all our players are off as you suggest), that's £60m we can spend before needing to go into debt. I don't think we will, but that's the financial position we're in.

Given that MA has gone on record as saying that the "account is now empty" I don't know where you get your £40 million figure from plus if, as has been suggested, none of your players have relegation clauses in their contracts then this will ensure that even taking into account your "parachute" payment your expenditure will considerably exceed your income next season.

I therefore have a serious question, if I may?

Everything that MA has done since he bought the club seems to have been aimed at, firstly, balancing the books then generating a profit, for future use, so what makes you think he's about to change tack now?

 

[Zig81]

Lascelles is a leader. Elliott, Mbemba, Colback & Mitrovic have character and physique. Try to set down your sunderland glasses a moment and you'll see I'm being reasonable. When I ask if you're angry it's because of the aggressive tone of your text. You insult and seek to antagonise rather than have discourse.



I'd say of that group we'd seek to sell Cabella, Cisse, de Jong, Riviere, Saivet, Thauvin, Tiote
We'd willingly sell everyone else, but then we'd willing sell everyone on the books.

If we were to sell all of the players you've listed, how much do you think we could get? I'd say it'd be comfortably north of £50m.


No worries, but why are you on here instead of sipping Moscato d'Asti looking out over Lake Como (or wherever you are).

You don't attend matches do you Neil? You think the players you mentioned will be there next season? No anger on my posts unless you are easily offended by words, nothing to be angry about, less than 48 hours ago I watched us hump Everton and relegate you spineless fuckers and now I'm laughing at you and your lack of social skills and cringeworthy ramblings.

Your obsession quite frankly is laughable Neil, there's a big world out there go and enjoy it you sad lonely man.

 

[KarenDent]

Who the heck is Neil is this some sort of in joke ?

 

[The Fish]

Dick is not a firebrand motivator like, he was very tactically astute, and quickly realised how to set the team up.

Your bloke lost 3 of his first 4 games, and couldn't beat any of his rivals, he was terrible.

You've missed the point, you don't fix the clubs problems, you just do enough to keep you up, you have to go hell for leather, its why it was such a strange appointment to start with

I can't honestly believe you will appoint him in the championship

I think it's a brilliant appointment, but at the wrong time. He should have come in straight after the Chelsea game (ideally he should have come in after Pardew left, but that's another thing). I don't think he'll be staying, but a couple of journalists I respect are saying that he's not adverse to the idea. If we had to wait until 10 games before the end of the season we might have been better with a firebrand like Pearson, but could you honestly see him getting performances from Sissoko? from Wijnaldum? I doubt it.

Given that MA has gone on record as saying that the "account is now empty" I don't know where you get your £40 million figure from plus if, as has been suggested, none of your players have relegation clauses in their contracts then this will ensure that even taking into account your "parachute" payment your expenditure will considerably exceed your income next season.

I therefore have a serious question, if I may?

Everything that MA has done since he bought the club seems to have been aimed at, firstly, balancing the books then generating a profit, for future use, so what makes you think he's about to change tack now?

Ashley also went on record to say that he'd learnt from his mistakes. I wouldn't trust him if he told me grass was green.

To answer your question I'd say the following. Last season showed a change of tack, he was no longer afraid to spend money and Townsend and Shelvey were the antithesis of his traditional approach. Two English players over 24 for sizeable sums. He will want to return to the Premier League as quickly as possible and will know that the best way to do that is to have Premier League players in the team. Newcastle are the 18th richest club on the planet. Financially we'll be fine. Ashley claiming the pot is empty is bollocks. He's hardly going to declare that we're loaded, now is he? How would that help him secure good transfer deals, how would that benefit him in contract negotiations? I know the hope is that Newcastle disappear down the leagues and and bankrupt before you can blink, but it just isn't going to happen unless something truly drastic happens.

You don't attend matches do you Neil? You think the players you mentioned will be there next season? No anger on my posts unless you are easily offended by words, nothing to be angry about, less than 48 hours ago I watched us hump Everton and relegate you spineless fuckers and now I'm laughing at you and your lack of social skills and cringeworthy ramblings.

Your obsession quite frankly is laughable Neil, there's a big world out there go and enjoy it you sad lonely man.

I do attend matches, some of them will be yes, are you expecting an exodus? I'm not offended dear boy, I'm amused that you're incapable of having a discussion without needing to resort to schoolground taunts. Other Sunderland fans are more than capable of having discourse with Newcastle fans without the need to throw insults around and, if you are semi-retired, I'd worry that a grown man is unable to speak thusly.