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Lee Johnson


I remember thinking Baldwin was decent. I couldn’t have been more wrong. It’s mental to think of some of the dross we had playing for us. What a job KLD has done
Baldwin was poor, the Coventry game did him- I think Flanagan was worse that day and got another 2 seasons being an utter failure. Heady times indeed
 
Baldwin was poor, the Coventry game did him- I think Flanagan was worse that day and got another 2 seasons being an utter failure. Heady times indeed
Oviedo was the worst player on the pitch that day. Baldwin was constantly trying to cover the acres Oviedo left open. One of the worst defensive performances I’ve ever seen from a fullback and I include Kennedy, Galloway and McFadzean in that.
 
Oviedo was the worst player on the pitch that day. Baldwin was constantly trying to cover the acres Oviedo left open. One of the worst defensive performances I’ve ever seen from a fullback and I include Kennedy, Galloway and McFadzean in that.
Oviedo was absolutely chronic defensively. He was tortured that day, and struggled many others over the season. Crap player. Shameful in fact
 
Bumped into him before kick off at the play off final in corporate in May. He was telling me that he started the journey of change and he was a bit part in us getting to that day in May :D
 
Turns out I’m only one of the few people who quite liked him :lol:
I did anarl, was a bit of a parody looking back mind.

I never thought after those years we would ever see Sunderland back in the PL, nevermind being where we are now with the players we have, Just shows your never really dead as a club.

Johnson was like Guardiola in comparison to Parkinson man, even if points dont reflect it, watching that daft fucker manage us made me want to commit. If i was in a room with a gun and Parkinson id probably shoot mesel.
 
Lee Johnson left us 3rd. Alex Neil finished 5th. His tactical prowess for play offs was far superior, but the league form was still full of draws and last minute goals.
God im just trying to forget the lot.
I did anarl, was a bit of a parody looking back mind.

I never thought after those years we would ever see Sunderland back in the PL, nevermind being where we are now with the players we have, Just shows your never really dead as a club.

Johnson was like Guardiola in comparison to Parkinson man, even if points dont reflect it, watching that daft fucker manage us made me want to commit. If i was in a room with a gun and Parkinson id probably shoot mesel.
Parkinson once said he tried to ‘contain’ mk dons at home. Moron.
 
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The football under Alex Neil was dreadful, the Rotherham home game was one of the worst I’ve ever witnessed. However, it gets forgotten because we got promoted but his ppg ratio wasn’t much better than Johnson’s.

That's quite an important distinction though isn't it? Neil came in, lost 1 game out of 18, and finally got us out of that hell, in our fourth season at that level, within a couple of months of arriving, having inherited a team that had lost 6-0 at Bolton under Johnson, then at home to Doncaster and away to Cheltenham under Dodds.

Johnson couldn't get past Michael Appleton's Lincoln City in the playoffs, and the so called good football saw us repeatedly get smashed by League One teams.

So I couldn't really care less about the quality of the football that was taking place in the individual brilliance zone or the spin and slide zone under Johnson - he was a clown.
 
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Controversial take but I think he was the beginning of our recovery. Very streaky but he did start getting some decent performances and used younger players before the disastrous run that saw him sacked. Simply couldn’t organise a defence and ultimately that sealed his fate.

Definitely better than Ross. He significantly underperformed with the squad he had.
Couldn't stand the negative approach we employed for most of Ross's tenure here but I think Johnson in 21/22 underachieved a hell of a lot more with the squad he had than Ross had in 2018/19.
 
Couldn't stand the negative approach we employed for most of Ross's tenure here but I think Johnson in 21/22 underachieved a hell of a lot more with the squad he had than Ross had in 2018/19.
Johnson didn’t have a great squad. Our best signings arrived in January and took a while to properly bed in. Paddy, Clarke, Batth and Pritchard all arrived in January.
 
Johnson didn’t have a great squad. Our best signings arrived in January and took a while to properly bed in. Paddy, Clarke, Batth and Pritchard all arrived in January.
Pritchard arrived in the summer and he also had the likes of Cirkin, Neil, Evans, Broadhead and Stewart for 6 months. Even before the arrival of the other 3 you mention he had a far better squad to work with than Ross had at any point here IMO.
 
Johnson didn’t have a great squad. Our best signings arrived in January and took a while to properly bed in. Paddy, Clarke, Batth and Pritchard all arrived in January.

This is a side Lee Johnson could have picked at the start of that season

---------------------------Patterson-------------------------

O'Nien ----------Wright ----------- Doyle ---------- Cirkin

-------------------Evans --------------Neil------------------

Pritchard-------------------------------------------McGeady

------------------Broadhead----------Stewart--------------

Then in January we brought in Trai Hume, Danny Batth, Patrick Roberts, and Jack Clarke.

That was not a side which should be getting smashed by Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Rotherham, Lincoln, and Bolton in the same season.

And it wasn't, once Alex Neil got here.
 
Ross play off team was easily good enough to go up, probably automatically.

1J McLaughlin
13L O'Nien
5A Ozturk
12T Flanagan
3B Oviedo
6L Cattermole
27M Power
23G Leadbitter
10G Honeyman
9C Wyke
7C Maguire

McGeady for most of the season, Gooch.

I do agree that Johnson should have been more consistent with that lineup, but he was essentially the opposite of Jack 1v1 Ross - he could set us up to be creative but not consistent. He got more wins per game than any of our other L1 managers?
 
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Weird hatred of him on here, always has been it's f***ing bizarre. We took a chance with Johnson and it went ok, didn't work out in the end shit happens we got rid when it started to fall apart and got promoted. Don't get the pile on against him, we had far more cocky managers with better teams who did worse jobs. Can't say Johnson didn't try, he did ok.
 
The football under Alex Neil was dreadful, the Rotherham home game was one of the worst I’ve ever witnessed. However, it gets forgotten because we got promoted but his ppg ratio wasn’t much better than Johnson’s.

To be fair he came in to rescue the season and he got the kids out who weren't performing and immediately tightened us up at the back, which was necessary to get out of the division. Whilst doing that Roberts and Clarke were gradually introduced and got up to speed and by the time we got to the play offs we were the strongest side in the division. Given the increasing frequency of poor results and performances under Johnson and how naive and open we were at the back I doubt he'd have managed that.
 
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