SAFC11
Striker
Fair point. Should have been outside of India.
Even then mind there seems to be plenty of empty seats at these games
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Joe Root calls for a reduction in county cricker
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Even then mind there seems to be plenty of empty seats at these games
Twisted
Striker
No idea, never watch them because i don't care about them either
Steak Pie
Striker
It's the fact that he's putting a domestic competition ahead of England at all, World Cup or not. And it's the fact that it only seems to be one domestic competition, the one that writes the biggest cheques.
It's proper shithouse behaviour, and tells.us exactly where his loyalties lie.
He shouldn't be in post after the complete shambles of last year's World Cup, and I have a feeling he'll be gone after the T20 WC (I don't think we're going to do very well).
Expect to see him touring the world for whatever IPL franchise he plays for, in whatever bullshit franchise tournaments they have their claws into.
I remember a (very rare) game he played against us for Lancashire in around 2014 (?) where he prioritised his own century over the team. He was batting with the number 11 and it was very tight, he was on 99 and took a single early in the first over of the new ball instead of protecting the tailender. Two balls later Rushy got Kerrigan and it was all over.
Selfish bastard. I’d have been disgusted if a Durham player had done that.
Turner the Cat
Midfield
Buttler is really contradicting himself....
"It's really important for us to spend that time together," Buttler said.
"Looking back to the 50-over World Cup, the performance was so poor you can point your finger back at stuff like preparation.
"Rob Key [England managing director of men's cricket] asked me and I said as an England captain my main priority is to be playing for England."
"My personal opinion is there shouldn't be any international cricket that clashes with the IPL. These games have been in the calendar a long time."
So his priority is England, its important to be together as a squad, we didnt prepare properly last time but..... he doesnt think the squad should be together because of the IPL. Go figure.
"It's really important for us to spend that time together," Buttler said.
"Looking back to the 50-over World Cup, the performance was so poor you can point your finger back at stuff like preparation.
"Rob Key [England managing director of men's cricket] asked me and I said as an England captain my main priority is to be playing for England."
"My personal opinion is there shouldn't be any international cricket that clashes with the IPL. These games have been in the calendar a long time."
So his priority is England, its important to be together as a squad, we didnt prepare properly last time but..... he doesnt think the squad should be together because of the IPL. Go figure.
Surely England's best ever white ball cricketer can contradict himself as much as he wants?
Turner the Cat
Midfield
Best ever white ball cricketer and worst ever white ball captain at this rate
It’s almost like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Actually, has he outed himself as the real @Voice of fair play ?
mackem1989
Striker
I’m still waiting for a response fromIt’s almost like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Actually, has he outed himself as the real @Voice of fair play ?
Him to my questions. Get nothing once it’s valid.
Only fair play when it suits him
Voice of fair play
Striker
I think I could understand the criticism of him more if he stayed at the IPL with his team who had reached the play offs and did not leave to come back to play for England.
Which I think all agree ( including me) that he should.
But he did come back and put England first and leave the IPL, rightly soo mind.
You would think it was the other way round reading the posts on here at times, you would think he had said fuck England I am staying with the IPL when that wasn’t the case.
I think in all sports your national team should come before a domestic side
Which I think all agree ( including me) that he should.
But he did come back and put England first and leave the IPL, rightly soo mind.
You would think it was the other way round reading the posts on here at times, you would think he had said fuck England I am staying with the IPL when that wasn’t the case.
I think in all sports your national team should come before a domestic side
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Turner the Cat
Midfield
It's not what he has done, it is what he has said. By saying he doesnt think international matches should clash with the IPL he is basically saying England should not be playing Pakistan right now. That would mean that we are currently not warming up together as a squad for the world cup (and prep this time is already significantly less than for the last T20 WC).
He has already said we werent properly prepared for the ODI WC and by his comments we'd have sod all prep for this one.
Yes he's here but he's basically said he doesnt think he should be. I think criticism is perfectly justified.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Yeah I think the criticism is justified to a certain extent but not the level of it.
He is not really saying we should not playing Pakistan now, he is saying where possible (and I agree it’s difficult) that international games should not clash with the biggest competition by far in the sport outside international cricket and that wherever possible the scheduling should not clash with that major competition
I think it’s fair to say he is a bit naive to expect that tbh, especially with the amount of cricket played these days, maybe he would be better served saying reduce the IPL slightly to help with the calendar and scheduling to avoid that clash
He has put a view across its just a opinion which like I say is a tad naive, but as ever with these threads, it tends to get over exaggerated and linked to other stuff.
Rather than keeping it in context.
As usual you ignore salient facts to suit your agenda.Buttler is being paid £millions to captain his country,and doing it rather badly as results testify. Central contacts were introduced to counteract the lure of IPL and it's riches. Pure greed is what is motivating those on ECB central contracts to play IPL. "Can't have your cake and eat it " is the appropriate expression". Can you not see that is the scenario or are you choosing to ignore it?
Where does he say “where possible”? The quote says “never”.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Yeah fair enough like I say he may be better served suggesting reducing the IPL, to avoid the clash he doesn’t want.
Either way it’s another opinion blowing out of proportion imo as well as opinions by Root, Strauss, Key and Bostock on other threads
You may say that, but you’ve literally changed what he said.
if he’d said “it’s a shame there is a clash, but I recognise the importance of my national team (not to mention grass roots cricket and the supporters), and a domestic competition won’t ever replace that, no matter how much they pay me”
Then it’s overplayed. But he didn’t say that. He said “never”
You’ve changed the narrative
I think that totally misses the point about the current programme. It’s not, as such, that we don’t want international cricket in May. Although it really is too early. It’s that we don’t want it in May instead of August.
That was what was wrong with shifting the Ashes. It wasn’t that they were shifted. It was the shite they were shifted for.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Well yeah but surely you have to concede a very high percentage of cricketers top international cricketers want to play in the top and best paid non international competition.
I would say top South African, Australian, Indian crickets etc etc would also want to play in it and avoid international clashes so he no different than 95% of them top cricketers imo.
Also he has been captain of two ICC major world cups and one of them as we current world champions at T20 which included one of the most comprehensive victories seen by a England side ever in that semi win over India.
Two competitions one win quite good record imo, considering we have only won another two ever!
Well yeah happy to concede he could have worded it better absolutely he could
You make a good point.
like I said earlier he naive to expect that, when he could suggest other things like reducing the length of the IPL.
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It’s not about wording it better. It’s about what you say and therefore being judged on it. Not listening to what he says, inferring otherwise and then arguing with people who actually read what he said
Other Internationals aren't on lucrative central contracts nor does their domestic seasons clash with IPL.
Buttler inherited a well -drilled successful side from Morgan so initially that success continued but they've been on free fall ever since.
Beaten in both forms in W. Indies,embarrassing I n the ODI World Cup.
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