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Joe Root calls for a reduction in county cricker

Voice of fair play said:
I think sport is about respect, competitiveness and giving your all for the team but at the same accepting good play from the opposition and shaking hands at the end.

The iconic exchange between Brett Lee and Flintoff at the end of the second test in 2005 is what sport is about for me two players giving their all for their side but at same time respecting the opposition.

It’s not at least for me about hating the opposition and calling and slating them at every opportunity.

I make no excuses mate for that oulook as it’s totally genuine
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All that is great. I get all of that. I’m certainly not someone that will ever get football violence for example.

But you seemingly don’t understand that supporters can be passionate about their sides. They can be frustrated. It can make people angry.

It’s not about hating the opposition. But it’s about wanting to beat them, and it meaning something.
 

chunkyshanhawk53 said:
All that is great. I get all of that. I’m certainly not someone that will ever get football violence for example.

But you seemingly don’t understand that supporters can be passionate about their sides. They can be frustrated. It can make people angry.

It’s not about hating the opposition. But it’s about wanting to beat them, and it meaning something.
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Well yeah of course I accept that up to a point.

Just think sport is about enjoyment not anger at least for me.

You can really want to beat someone on the field but when final whistle goes accept and respect their play

But of course certainly get your point passion brings out anger at times.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
He doesn’t debate at all, he just calls anybody who dares says or even considers reducing any county games all the names under the sun.

Any pundit, ex cricketer in fact anybody at all who otherwise has had distinguished careers are wankers, pricks etc over night as soon as they suggest the above.

Other posters debate he just insults anybody and everybody who suggests reducing county games
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for any argument to be valid you need to produce valid evidence. Reduction in CC games is put forward because of the white elephant in the room is immovable from prime time in the summer. No justification whatsoever for this has ever been given.
"It's here to stay". End of.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
The man at the top of our game Mr Key who wants nothing but best for our England team suggests less games to help that objective.

And true to form you call him a ‘ fat wanker’

And not to mention our best white ball cricketer ever who comes across as well spoken canny lad is ‘ a prick’

Lovely lad you mind
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It seems like Rob Key thinks the only point of the domestic game is to serve the England team.

I'm very sceptical of the report on a number of levels.

Why was the hundred excluded from the scope of the report and why does Strauss think playing a format that no other country plays is going to help our international team succeed at other formats?

we have had one of the best periods of English cricket in recent years and our current schedule in no way stopped us from becoming ODI and T20 world champions recently.

Many people have argued that our recent poor performance in the ODI WC was because we dont play enough one day cricket and yet the report wants to reduce it further domestically and relegate it to a single month with the least reliable weather. I cannot see how that is going to help us become ODI champions.

It seems to me that the review doesn't address the biggest issue properly - too much international cricket and poor scheduling which is ironic when Strauss tries to blame the domestic game.

If we want to be successful we need to prepare properly. We dont play enough warm up games, we dont spend enough time acclimatising to the conditions and we just turn up and expect to perform. We turned up a week before the ODI WC, didnt play any proper one day prep games, looked like we didnt understand the format and complained about the heat. It was embarrassing. Similarly, we flew in 3 days before the test series with India and started with a number of players who had never played on Indian pitches or conditions before.

We have lovely infographics on how much domestic cricket we play vs other countries but completely omit the amount of international cricket we play compared to other countries. From the Independent in 2022..."Since the start of 2017, England have had 498 scheduled days of cricket, which puts them ahead of India in second place on 472. Australia are languishing more than 100 days behind England on 387". That's the Australia who are the no1 cricketing side in the world that we dream of becoming. Thats the Australia who have a number of their best international players playing in the county championship right now. Ben Stokes says that the International schedule is unsustainable. As a result one of our best players is now unavailable for key formats. Why doesnt Strauss take on that feedback, why is that inforgraphic missing from his report and why is there no recommendation to reduce the amount of international cricket we play?
 
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Turner the Cat said:
It seems like Rob Key thinks the only point of the domestic game is to serve the England team.

I'm very sceptical of the report on a number of levels.

Why was the hundred excluded from the scope of the report and why does Strauss think playing a format that no other country plays is going to help our international team succeed at other formats?

we have had one of the best periods of English cricket in recent years and our current schedule in no way stopped us from becoming ODI and T20 world champions recently.

Many people have argued that our recent poor performance in the ODI WC was because we dont play enough one day cricket and yet the report wants to reduce it further domestically and relegate it to a single month with the least reliable weather. I cannot see how that is going to help us become ODI champions.

It seems to me that the review doesn't address the biggest issue properly - too much international cricket and poor scheduling which is ironic when Strauss tries to blame the domestic game.

If we want to be successful we need to prepare properly. We dont play enough warm up games, we dont spend enough time acclimatising to the conditions and we just turn up and expect to perform. We turned up a week before the ODI WC, didnt play any proper one day prep games, looked like we didnt understand the format and complained about the heat. It was embarrassing. Similarly, we flew in 3 days before the test series with India and started with a number of players who had never played on Indian pitches or conditions before.

We have lovely infographics on how much domestic cricket we play vs other countries but completely omit the amount of international cricket we play compared to other countries. From the Independent in 2022..."Since the start of 2017, England have had 498 scheduled days of cricket, which puts them ahead of India in second place on 472. Australia are languishing more than 100 days behind England on 387". That's the Australia who are the no1 cricketing side in the world that we dream of becoming. Thats the Australia who have a number of their best international players playing in the county championship right now. Ben Stokes says that the International schedule is unsustainable. As a result one of our best players is now unavailable for key formats. Why doesnt Strauss take on that feedback, why is that inforgraphic missing from his report and why is there no recommendation to reduce the amount of international cricket we play?
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The reports issue is it started with a conclusion which meant the focus was always biased. Rather than looking at different threads and issues, it all fell on the same theme of too much CC
 
SAFC11 said:
Equally you have Jos butler saying stuff like this as well
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Missing RR IPL knockout game today to watch it piss it down in Leeds.

My tiny violin is out for him.

If we allow the IPL to take precedence over international cricket then cricket will be T20 cricket only by 2030. So he can fuck right off with this view.
 
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SAFC11 said:
The reports issue is it started with a conclusion which meant the focus was always biased. Rather than looking at different threads and issues, it all fell on the same theme of too much CC
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Yeah no statistician worth their salt would focus on one data point and draw a conclusion especially when its so obvious there are many other variables e.g.

Given cricket is now very much an international game, how much cricket are international players actually playing, where are they playing it, what format are they playing and how does that compare across countries?

Only then would we know really about the extent of the schedule demands on England players vs other countries. However, we already know that a lot of England players arent playing much county cricket and that England play significantly more internationals than many other countries. We also know that our test captain has blamed the international schedule for being unrealistic not the county schedule.
 
SAFC11 said:
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Another one to go my own personal shit list

Not that i ever liked him anyway.

Shit when international cricketers aren't even advocates for international cricket and domestic cricketers are calling for domestic cricket to be downsized.

If players think "fuck the fans" why should fans have anything but distain and disgust towards players, what a sorry state of affairs that regulatory bodies, chairman and senior figures at counties and even players are attacking the game ans competitions we love
 
Aidan11 said:
What will players like him do when the IPL eventually lasts 4 months?

Because that's what is going to happen in my opinion.
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India is a big place and they have more than 4 months of decent weather don't they?

My guess is live in india and be like premier league footballers. I guess you can see why they're happy to stab english CC fans in the back
 
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Doubling down.
Essentially no-one should play cricket for two month aside from the ipl. Cares more about the ipl it seems than English cricket that suffers for the pageantry of that shite and ultimately where international cricket would then have to be played
 
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Doubling down.
Essentially no-one should play cricket for two month aside from the ipl. Cares more about the ipl it seems than English cricket that suffers for the pageantry of that shite and ultimately where international cricket would then have to be played
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Spoken like a true shill of the IPL.
 
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Doubling down.
Essentially no-one should play cricket for two month aside from the ipl. Cares more about the ipl it seems than English cricket that suffers for the pageantry of that shite and ultimately where international cricket would then have to be played
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Already a short build up to the WC and our captain basically saying he would rather the squad wasnt together preparing. What a leader and role model.

Cant wait to hear Rob Key say this is the counties fault.
In the 5 months leading up to the T20 WC in 2022 England played 16 T20 matches.

For this WC we have 4 scheduled and will play 3.

What happened to being better prepared?
 
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Steak Pie said:
Why just the IPL Joss? Not the Big Bash? Not the CPL, SA20, PSL, USPL, Abu Dhabi 20 (or is it 10)?

What about the 16.4?
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It's the fact as well that this series is a warm up for the world cup which surely is also more important than the IPL.
Treating the ipl with this much prestige is a going to cause problems going forwards, especially when most people don't care about it
 
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