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Jobe Bellingham - Signed

chriswallace85 said:
Only out of necessity.

I think we played good football under Neil. We started the season well enough. Nobody had any complaints about the style before he walked.

Playing the ball into the centre of the park, with a couple of git wass bastards breathing down your neck, as we did a couple of times on Saturday, is not conducive to playing slick, attacking football.


It's a balancing act. Be sensible about it. Don't do it for the sake of it. Mix it up a bit if you can. There's nothing wrong with putting your laces through it and clearing your lines.
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We started well, it wasn’t bad, it’s just nothing like the type of football we play now
 

pwsafc said:
What a load of rubbish !.Doesn't matter if he's head coach or manager, he doesn't get told what style or formation to play.

The football is completely different under Mowbray to Neil, it's a lot more attacking under TM
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Ah right so he’s in charge but only when it suits you. I get it!
 
TravellingMackem said:
Ah right so he’s in charge but only when it suits you. I get it!
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What are you waffling on about, he is in charge of the team, he doesn't get told what formation or style to play.
Whitburnmakem said:
Batth is far better on the ball than Bailey Wright etc also we have players that are willing to take a pass in tight spots we used to piss around with it before until someone played another player in to trouble then they would panick and launch it, it was never intentional it was lack of ability and composure
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Disagree, we had players who could take the ball in tight spots under Neil aswell. Not sure why people can't see the difference it's glaringly obvious, and that's not a criticism of Neil as he got us promoted, but they are different styles manager
 
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pwsafc said:
What are you waffling on about, he is in charge of the team, he doesn't get told what formation or style to play.

Disagree, we had players who could take the ball in tight spots under Neil aswell. Not sure why people can't see the difference it's glaringly obvious, and that's not a criticism of Neil as he got us promoted, but they are different styles manager
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The difference is you play to the strengths of the players you have at the time you don’t just say this is how we are playing deal with it
 
pwsafc said:
What are you waffling on about, he is in charge of the team, he doesn't get told what formation or style to play.

Disagree, we had players who could take the ball in tight spots under Neil aswell. Not sure why people can't see the difference it's glaringly obvious, and that's not a criticism of Neil as he got us promoted, but they are different styles manager
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He’s hired because he plays a certain way in the first place. He’s hired to fit exactly what we want to do and how we want to do it, not the other way around
 
pwsafc said:
Yes he was hired because he likes to play attacking football and work with young players, you said he is told what style and formation to play. You just make things up as you go
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He’s hired because he plays a 4231, we signed players to play that formation, we signed players to play a press, we’ve hired a manager to suit that exact brief. If he turned into Pulis overnight he’d sharp be removed from post and replaced with someone who fit our brief. It’s a clear process, no idea how you cannot grasp how this works
 
TravellingMackem said:
He’s hired because he plays a 4231, we signed players to play that formation, we signed players to play a press, we’ve hired a manager to suit that exact brief. If he turned into Pulis overnight he’d sharp be removed from post and replaced with someone who fit our brief. It’s a clear process, no idea how you cannot grasp how this works
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No idea how you can't grasp the concept of he's in charge of the team and doesn't get told what how to play or what formation. If you watched the games you would know he doesn't always play 4231, he changes it during games and we don't even start with that formation in games. The comment about turning into pullis overnight, another pointless comment
 
pwsafc said:
No idea how you can't grasp the concept of he's in charge of the team and doesn't get told what how to play or what formation. If you watched the games you would know he doesn't always play 4231, he changes it during games and we don't even start with that formation in games. The comment about turning into pullis overnight, another pointless comment
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His favourite formation at other clubs has been 4-3-3 so he's wrong on that as well and we have played different ones when we have had other options available
 
pwsafc said:
No idea how you can't grasp the concept of he's in charge of the team and doesn't get told what how to play or what formation. If you watched the games you would know he doesn't always play 4231, he changes it during games and we don't even start with that formation in games. The comment about turning into pullis overnight, another pointless comment
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The only reason we aren't starting in a 4231 is because of the injury situation.

If everyone was fit, we'd likely play...

Patto
Hume Ballard Batth Cirkin
Evans Neil
Roberts Amad Clarke
Stewart
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And that is a cast iron fact.
chopsfc007 said:
His favourite formation at other clubs has been 4-3-3 so he's wrong on that as well and we have played different ones when we have had other options available
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I'd argue 4231 is a derivative of 433. It's the same thing.
 
If Mowbray had been told to play a certain way we would not be in the position we are now. With all of the "first choice" players available it would be easy to follow a plan and play according to the "set brief" that he was allegedly signed to do. But with the number of injuries this season, the way both Mowbray and the players have had to adapt to those circumstances is a clear demonstration that this team plays the way it does because of a combination of the talent thise players have, and the way Mowbray has utilised those talents.
 
chriswallace85 said:
The only reason we aren't starting in a 4231 is because of the injury situation.

If everyone was fit, we'd likely play...

Patto
Hume Ballard Batth Cirkin
Evans Neil
Roberts Amad Clarke
Stewart
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And that is a cast iron fact.

I'd argue 4231 is a derivative of 433. It's the same thing.
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Doesn't mean he sticks to it, he has said himself that the formation changes and is flexible as a game progresses. And he isn't told he has to play that formation which is what the other poster seems to think
 
pwsafc said:
Doesn't mean he sticks to it, he has said himself that the formation changes and is flexible as a game progresses. And he isn't told he has to play that formation which is what the other poster seems to think
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You’re both correct really so not sure why you’re both arguing. Mowbray most certainly has a remit from above of the style of football we are expected to play, Speakman has said this himself. But obviously Mowbray has a lot of scope within those parameters, and especially with the injury situation we have.
 
TravellingMackem said:
He’s hired because he plays a 4231, we signed players to play that formation, we signed players to play a press, we’ve hired a manager to suit that exact brief. If he turned into Pulis overnight he’d sharp be removed from post and replaced with someone who fit our brief. It’s a clear process, no idea how you cannot grasp how this works
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why would he change the way he plays?
that would be stupid?
he plays the way he wants..when the club were searching for a manager one of the filters they used weas style of play. But its got nowt to do with 4-2-3-1- its not that oprescriptive
 
Walmo said:
You’re both correct really so not sure why you’re both arguing. Mowbray most certainly has a remit from above of the style of football we are expected to play, Speakman has said this himself. But obviously Mowbray has a lot of scope within those parameters, and especially with the injury situation we have.
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I'm arguing with the poster who said TM only plays a formation and style that he is told to do, which is wrong. We all know TM was chosen because he likes to play a attacking football and has a track record of developing younger players.
 
TravellingMackem said:
He’s hired because he plays a certain way in the first place. He’s hired to fit exactly what we want to do and how we want to do it, not the other way around
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You are way overplaying Speakman's role. I assume he was hired because he's good with youngsters and he bought into our structure. However, an unepxected strength with Mowbray is his amazing flexibility. He has been able to get the best out of these players depsite having no striker and now no centre backs. You are trying to suggest, I think, that he little more than a puppet. Yes, he needs to be a manager who is not long ball like Luton and Coventry but beyond that he will 100% decide how the team will set up. I presume you haven't looked at his history as it has been well publicised that he changed Blackburns style mid season as his intial set up didn't work. You have incorrectly surmised that his teams only play 'a certain way' when its his flexibility that is his strength.
 
Walmo said:
You’re both correct really so not sure why you’re both arguing. Mowbray most certainly has a remit from above of the style of football we are expected to play, Speakman has said this himself. But obviously Mowbray has a lot of scope within those parameters, and especially with the injury situation we have.
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:lol: I was thinking that mesell.
 
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