James Anderson Watch in Australia

[essex boy]

I'm still amazed he is slating Jimmy for the Aussie's getting away from 69/5 to score 268, when Finn leaked 75 runs at 5 an over, and also went for 5 an over in the 2nd innings.

Must be a complete wind up which gets more tedious by the day.

Jimmy is averaging just over 30, has the Indian sign over the Australian captain, and a very decent economy rate. Finn's 14 wickets have come towards the mid 30's average at a poor test economy rate and is releasing all pressure built up by the opening bowlers with his wayward spells.

I'd like EB to name some opposition swing bowlers from the last 20 years who have averaged 30 or less in a series in Australia, with of economy rate of 3-3.5.

Id like you to name a bowler who has come up against such a woeful Aussie side in the last 20 years.

Your comparing bowlers who have come up against a poor Aussie side (Jimmy) in relation to those who came up against some of the worlds greats

Pathetic

It ignores the fact that Jimmy has a better average than Finn and that some of Finns wickets came when the Aussies were slogging out trying to score quick runs at the end of their innings in Brisbane.

He clearly hasnt watched the cricket - i'm just surprised he hasnt lied and said he has.

Anderson gets the new ball, your the first to tell everyone how after the first 10 overs, its hard to take wickets over there. Therefore its a very good effort for Finn to have taken more wickets than the leader of our attack considering he is bolwing with an older ball

 

[The Breen Machine]

Id like you to name a bowler who has come up against such a woeful Aussie side in the last 20 years.

Your comparing bowlers who have come up against a poor Aussie side (Jimmy) in relation to those who came up against some of the worlds greats

Pathetic

So Ponting wouldn't be classed as one of the world's greats?, what about Hussey who averages 52 and you championed as "class" only just 2 days ago?, or the "greatly consistent" Katich you championed in another thread on Sunday?. What about Clarke who you championed before the series started and averages 48 in tests?

You make your comments and opinions to suit the arguement thats taking place. The only consistent opinions you have made are been that Anderson and Swann are poor and time and time again they prove you wrong.

 

[essex boy]

So Ponting wouldn't be classed as one of the world's greats?, what about Hussey who averages 52 and you championed as "class" only just 2 days ago?, or the greatly consistent Katich you championed in another thread on Sunday?. What about Clarke who you championed before the series started and averaged 48 in tests?

You make your comments and opinions to suit the arguement thats taking place. The only consistent opinions you have made are been that Anderson and Swann are poor and time and time again they prove you wrong.

if your trying to compare the team of say 2005 to the current lot, Im not arguing. Good luck to you.

If we dont win the Ashes, it will be a sad indicement of how very ordinary this England side is

 

[The Breen Machine]

if your trying to compare the team of say 2005 to the current lot, Im not arguing. Good luck to you.

If we dont win the Ashes, it will be a sad indicement of how very ordinary this England side is

Where in that post have I mentioned the 2005 side?

 

[rentaghost]

Id like you to name a bowler who has come up against such a woeful Aussie side in the last 20 years.

Your comparing bowlers who have come up against a poor Aussie side (Jimmy) in relation to those who came up against some of the worlds greats

Pathetic



Anderson gets the new ball, your the first to tell everyone how after the first 10 overs, its hard to take wickets over there. Therefore its a very good effort for Finn to have taken more wickets than the leader of our attack considering he is bolwing with an older ball

You knew the Aussie team Anderson was going to face. It didnt stop you suggesting he has going to get caned to all corners of the country. Five of their batsmen (6 if you include Katich) are very good test match batsmen - Ponting had just averaged 54 in a series in India and he cant get a score because of Anderson.

I have to say its a fair point on Finn's wickets - its also a fair point to say he has been far to expensive and did pick some wickets up when they were trying to slog him out of the ground at the tail end of their innings in Brisbane. I did think that Anderson and Broad had bowled very well at times in Brisbane without any luck at all and Finn who had bowled moderately ended up cashing in - it sometimes happens like that.

Thats why when you dont watch the cricket and simply look at the stats you cant have a worthwhile valid opinion.

 

[essex boy]

You knew the Aussie team Anderson was going to face. It didnt stop you suggesting he has going to get caned to all corners of the country. Five of their batsmen (6 if you include Katich) are very good test match batsmen - Ponting had just averaged 54 in a series in India and he cant get a score because of Anderson.

I have to say its a fair point on Finn's wickets - its also a fair point to say he has been far to expensive and did pick some wickets up when they were trying to slog him out of the ground at the tail end of their innings in Brisbane. I did think that Anderson and Broad had bowled very well at times in Brisbane without any luck at all and Finn who had bowled moderately ended up cashing in - it sometimes happens like that.

Thats why when you dont watch the cricket and simply look at the stats you cant have a worthwhile valid opinion.

I have been watching the cricket, maybe not as much as others, but I can afford to watch the cricket during the night. If you watch it from 12.00am to 07.00am during the night good luck to you

Unless Swann or Jimmy show why there ranked 2 and 3 in the world and run through the Aussies at some point between Melbourne and Sydney, I dont believe we will win the Ashes, as I believe Johnson and or Harris are gonna run through England cheaply again in one of the last 2 tests

 

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[essex boy]

bumped into an Aussie mate this morning, who basically said, as soon as a bit of grass is left on the wicket, Swann looks anonymous

In Swann's defence, he cant be expected to win us games every test. However, we should have had a plan B to cover for this evantuality.

Im sorry but playing 'test matches' against very weak batting opposition in the build up the Ashes is poor preparation. As an example Finn doesnt look likes he played hardly any 5 day test matches before as he looks nackered

 

[rentaghost]

I have been watching the cricket, maybe not as much as others, but I can afford to watch the cricket during the night. If you watch it from 12.00am to 07.00am during the night good luck to you

Unless Swann or Jimmy show why there ranked 2 and 3 in the world and run through the Aussies at some point between Melbourne and Sydney, I dont believe we will win the Ashes, as I believe Johnson and or Harris are gonna run through England cheaply again in one of the last 2 tests

Seperate argument and something you switch between when the moment suits. Theres no way in my eyes that Jimmy should be ranked number 3 in the world but hes so far removed from this joke bowler that shouldnt be anywhere near the England team, that will go to all corners of Australia that you like to portray. Whether Jimmy has been realy good as the likes of Boycott is suggesting or pretty decent is open to debate - however in the 3 tests hes played so far his made a massive contribution to winning one test and so far has proved you wrong.

bumped into an Aussie mate this morning, who basically said, as soon as a bit of grass is left on the wicket, Swann looks anonymous

In Swann's defence, he cant be expected to win us games every test. However, we should have had a plan B to cover for this evantuality.

Im sorry but playing 'test matches' against very weak batting opposition in the build up the Ashes is poor preparation. As an example Finn doesnt look likes he played hardly any 5 day test matches before as he looks nackered

Its the one point you have made consistently well lately

 

[The Breen Machine]

Im sorry but playing 'test matches' against very weak batting opposition in the build up the Ashes is poor preparation. As an example Finn doesnt look likes he played hardly any 5 day test matches before as he looks nackered

I don't think it matter's who Finn played against in the summer. He's 21 and has played 11 tests on the bounce and a good percentage of domestic cricket in the last year. That is very hard work for a young bowler, especially one with his build and a quick action. It's no surprise he's looking tired as the year comes to a close.

 

[essex boy]

I don't think it matter's who Finn played against in the summer. He's 21 and has played 11 tests on the bounce and a good percentage of domestic cricket in the last year. That is very hard work for a young bowler, especially one with his build and a quick action. It's no surprise he's looking tired as the year comes to a close.

the vast majority of domestic cricket is over by lunchtime on the 4th day. Playing 3.5 days infront of two men and his dog in county cricket division two (club cricket or not far off) and playing 5 full days in searing heat infront of 50,000 plus baying Aussies is like comparing chalk to cheese

 

[The Breen Machine]

the vast majority of domestic cricket is over by lunchtime on the 4th day. Playing 3.5 days infront of two men and his dog in county cricket division two (club cricket or not far off) and playing 5 full days in searing heat infront of 50,000 plus baying Aussies is like comparing chalk to cheese

It doesen't really matter how long the game lasts if he's still bowling the neck end of 40/50 overs a match.

 

[essex boy]

Seperate argument and something you switch between when the moment suits. Theres no way in my eyes that Jimmy should be ranked number 3 in the world but hes so far removed from this joke bowler that shouldnt be anywhere near the England team, that will go to all corners of Australia that you like to portray. Whether Jimmy has been realy good as the likes of Boycott is suggesting or pretty decent is open to debate - however in the 3 tests hes played so far his made a massive contribution to winning one test and so far has proved you wrong.



Its the one point you have made consistently well lately

I havent said he is a joke bowler. Ive said he has improved, but is still rank ordinary and others should have been tried. I dont believe we will ever rank 1 in the world when our attack is lead by Jimmy.

I dont recall you clambering for Tremlett to be given a chance last summer when we were skittling the clubbies and fraudsters. As I have repeatedly said, if you dont try other bowlers you will never know how good or bad they are in intl cricket.

Domestic success does not relate to international success

It doesen't really matter how long the game lasts if he's still bowling the neck end of 40/50 overs a match.

perhaps you could advise how many games he bowled 50 overs last summer for Middlesex as a percentage of total Middx games he played

Broad was exactly the same when he started out, wasnt use to the rigours of test cricket. Unfortunately, due to playing mickey mouse test matches for the last year or so, he hasnt gained the hard yards in his legs he should have

 

[The Breen Machine]

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perhaps you could advise how many games he bowled 50 overs last summer for Middlesex as a percentage of total Middx games he played

Broad was exactly the same when he started out, wasnt use to the rigours of test cricket. Unfortunately, due to playing mickey mouse test matches for the last year or so, he hasnt gained the hard yards in his legs he should have

I shall have a look and work out an average for yourself.

Ideally he could have bowled more overs in the summer but if he'd bowled 40 overs a game and was looking tired by now then people, including you most likely would be twisting that he had been overbowled.

 

[essex boy]

I shall have a look and work out an average for yourself.

Ideally he could have bowled more overs in the summer but if he'd bowled 40 overs a game and was looking tired by now then people, including you most likely would be twisting that he had been overbowled.

if he had bowled 50 overs during the summer, he would be better equipped now. He has also been bowling on puddings in England as oppose to rock hard surfaces in Australia which are a lot harsher on the body.

He was rested for chunks of last summer to keep him fresh

 

[rentaghost]

I havent said he is a joke bowler. Ive said he has improved, but is still rank ordinary and others should have been tried. I dont believe we will ever rank 1 in the world when our attack is lead by Jimmy.

I dont recall you clambering for Tremlett to be given a chance last summer when we were skittling the clubbies and fraudsters. As I have repeatedly said, if you dont try other bowlers you will never know how good or bad they are in intl cricket.

Domestic success does not relate to international success



perhaps you could advise how many games he bowled 50 overs last summer for Middlesex as a percentage of total Middx games he played

Broad was exactly the same when he started out, wasnt use to the rigours of test cricket. Unfortunately, due to playing mickey mouse test matches for the last year or so, he hasnt gained the hard yards in his legs he should have

I think we have some canny bowlers Tremlett has always been good when conditions suit and I really like the look of Shazhad and Finn will develop well. Ive also never had a problem of having a pool of 6 quicks and if that meant Jimmy, Broad etc missing out in a test match due to form or conditions fair enough. however its never got to the stage where Jimmy Anderson wasnt / isnt one of our best bowlers. Hes a good bowler and miles better on flat pitches than he was and when conditions do suit hes excellent.

 

[The Breen Machine]

For the record, Finn bowled 261 overs in 7 games for Middlesex last year, an average of 37.2 overs a game.

if he had bowled 50 overs during the summer, he would be better equipped now. He has also been bowling on puddings in England as oppose to rock hard surfaces in Australia which are a lot harsher on the body.

He was rested for chunks of last summer to keep him fresh

Just like all other English bowlers.

He was an ever present in the test matches.

 

[essex boy]

I think we have some canny bowlers Tremlett has always been good when conditions suit and I really like the look of Shazhad and Finn will develop well. Ive also never had a problem of having a pool of 6 quicks and if that meant Jimmy, Broad etc missing out in a test match due to form or conditions fair enough. however its never got to the stage where Jimmy Anderson wasnt / isnt one of our best bowlers. Hes a good bowler and miles better on flat pitches than he was and when conditions do suit hes excellent.

I agree on all the above. However, I still dont see him performing well enough over 5 tests to win us the Ashes down under, which considering the plight of the Aussie team, is poor and he is singled out because he has been in the test team many more years than the rest

For the record, Finn bowled 261 overs in 7 games for Middlesex last year, an average of 37.2 overs a game.



Just like all other English bowlers.

He was an ever present in the test matches.

so bowling 18.5 overs in an innings on soft run ups in the main isnt great preperation for bowling up to 30 overs an innings on much harder run ups

 

[rentaghost]

I agree on all the above. However, I still dont see him performing well enough over 5 tests to win us the Ashes down under, which considering the plight of the Aussie team, is poor and he is singled out because he has been in the test team many more years than the rest

Alright - when you take out the excesses in your argument thats fair enough.

 

[essex boy]

Alright - when you take out the excesses in your argument thats fair enough.

I dont believe we are that far apart in our opinion on Jimmy