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Jack Clarke

Sven said:
Looking at this from the outside I don't understand why anyone would think he wouldn't have moved.

He'd proved himself at championship level and the opportunity to play in the PL comes along, very few players are going to turn that down. While there's obviously a huge difference in the strength of squad between the two leagues plenty of individual players have moved up and been successful and I'm sure he'd have backed himself to do just that.

Worst comes to worst he ends up back in the championship but on better wages.
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Exactly.
 

Good Teeth Keith said:
Exactly. Weird that people are suggesting he might be thinking he made a wrong move and thinking about Sunderland. I bet he hasn’t given us a second thought.

Lad’s career has taken a huge positive step.

It’s odd that people who wouldn’t pass the opportunity themselves think Footballers should give up the chance of a big contract so they get more minutes on the pitch.
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Aye. I reckon he'll keep tabs on our results because his mates still play for us, thats about it. Otherwise now he's settled he wont be arsed. Same with most footballers.
 
AmblerThorn said:
How can it be?

He's proving he can't play in the PL

Jack you're shit. Doesn't matter. I got a pay rise for a season

Don't accuse me of being sentimental or old fashioned by daring to suggest footballers might also be driven by other factors
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He made the right decision.
 
Marvanelli said:
He will have zero regrets.

He's getting minutes in the best league in the world, whilst getting paid the most he's ever had.

Worse case is, Ipswich get relegated and he's back in the same division where he was a year ago, but on much more money (even if he does have a relegation clause).

He would have been seriously crazy to reject Ipswich for another season in the Championship.

Personally, I don't think he's ever been good enough for the PL, but he had to take the offer. Who's to say that offer would have come again.

A footballer is literally, potentially, one match/injury away from never playing again.

Take the bag and run.
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I think those saying he’s made a mistake don’t realise that the last time PFA-FA-PL-FL type surveys were released it was announced that 95% of kids who sign with pro clubs on leaving school at 16 aren’t playing any form of organised football that appears on the above organisations radars by the time they’re 25. IE they’re out of the pro game completely and not even appearing in FA affiliated Sunday morning pub team games.
JC has seen all those lads he played with and against when a kid at Leeds n Spurs drift out of the game already. He’s one bad turn or tackle away from going the same way himself. It’s a good move for him.
 
It seems like some people are operating under some sort of delusion that if he'd stayed with us he'd be banging in goals for us in the PL next season as we comfortably cruise to midtable or something. Do they not realize that even if he had stayed "for the good of his career" or whatever people are telling themselves, he would quite likely have ended up in the exact same situation he's in now only with us in Ipswich's place? And that's assuming we would get promoted with him this season in the first place, which would be far from guaranteed.
 
riffraff said:
I think those saying he’s made a mistake don’t realise that the last time PFA-FA-PL-FL type surveys were released it was announced that 95% of kids who sign with pro clubs on leaving school at 16 aren’t playing any form of organised football that appears on the above organisations radars by the time they’re 25. IE they’re out of the pro game completely and not even appearing in FA affiliated Sunday morning pub team games.
JC has seen all those lads he played with and against when a kid at Leeds n Spurs drift out of the game already. He’s one bad turn or tackle away from going the same way himself. It’s a good move for him.
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This is a flawed argument.

For the benefit of the clubs and the players themselves they are insured to the hilt to ensure they are covered should the worse happen.

The club would be paid a large part of their transfer fee and the player a large part of his future earnings should he be injured to the extent that his career was over.
 
Keith S30S said:
The club would be paid a large part of their transfer fee and the player a large part of his future earnings should he be injured to the extent that his career was over.
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Yes, and his future earnings are now higher because of his Ipswich contract.
 
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SAFCBlandy said:
It seems like some people are operating under some sort of delusion that if he'd stayed with us he'd be banging in goals for us in the PL next season as we comfortably cruise to midtable or something. Do they not realize that even if he had stayed "for the good of his career" or whatever people are telling themselves, he would quite likely have ended up in the exact same situation he's in now only with us in Ipswich's place? And that's assuming we would get promoted with him this season in the first place, which would be far from guaranteed.
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If we got promoted with Clarke in the team he would of course have a lot better chance of flourishing with us.

The likelihood would be that he was a guaranteed starter, in familiar surroundings and in his favourite position. None of that is happening at Ipswich.

That's not to say we or him would do great in the Premier League.
 
Sven said:
Looking at this from the outside I don't understand why anyone would think he wouldn't have moved.

He'd proved himself at championship level and the opportunity to play in the PL comes along, very few players are going to turn that down. While there's obviously a huge difference in the strength of squad between the two leagues plenty of individual players have moved up and been successful and I'm sure he'd have backed himself to do just that.

Worst comes to worst he ends up back in the championship but on better wages.
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Lock the thread
 
Think McKenna will have to change the system in some way especially after last night's performance and Clarke will benefit from that, they can't really judge him on his performances in that unfamiliar central role but he'd always have had to adapt his game if he wants to be a success at that level.
 
Keith S30S said:
And?

He was getting about £33K a month in his hand here. Yes, he's good rise but he had already earned life changing money and would have continued to do so regardless.
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It isn't a flawed argument, which you said it was.

He is one twist or turn away from losing his career. He's now insured to a much higher level than he would have been here.

Just because you don't think it was a move doesn't mean every argument for him taking the move is flawed
 
SAFCBlandy said:
It seems like some people are operating under some sort of delusion that if he'd stayed with us he'd be banging in goals for us in the PL next season as we comfortably cruise to midtable or something. Do they not realize that even if he had stayed "for the good of his career" or whatever people are telling themselves, he would quite likely have ended up in the exact same situation he's in now only with us in Ipswich's place? And that's assuming we would get promoted with him this season in the first place, which would be far from guaranteed.
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I’ll start this off by saying these are all if buys or maybes as he could have got injured and never got back to that level but.

If he had stayed with us and not signed a new contract but decided to give 100% so he played majority of the games and had the same goals/assists as the first half of last season he’d be in a much better position as teams like Bournemouth/West Ham/brentford would be then willing to take a risk as he’d not cost as much. Going to Ipswich is great for his bank but he needed to either hit the ground running or he’d be benched and get stick as everyone knew Ipswich would struggle. It’s easier to blood a new player in if you’re mid table, especially a player who needs time on the ball and will lose it and make mistakes.

For Jack as a business is a no brainer take the money as tomorrow might be your last day as a fit professional but looking back it may have been wiser to play in the championship for a year then have a bigger group of teams after you as you are not going to cost £15m. We will never know though as you can’t play both scenarios so you do the obvious and take the cash.
 
Keith S30S said:
If we got promoted with Clarke in the team he would of course have a lot better chance of flourishing with us.

The likelihood would be that he was a guaranteed starter, in familiar surroundings and in his favourite position. None of that is happening at Ipswich.

That's not to say we or him would do great in the Premier League.
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If, doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

If this, if that.

Bobby Robson once said ' 'If' is the biggest word in football' - and he was/is right.
 
Juliosenior said:
Think McKenna will have to change the system in some way especially after last night's performance and Clarke will benefit from that, they can't really judge him on his performances in that unfamiliar central role but he'd always have had to adapt his game if he wants to be a success at that level.
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He done very well for us and I would have loved to have kept him if he wanted to stay but money does talk. Saying that, I've watched him a few times now for Ipswich and you can see he is struggling to come to terms with the EPL and the system that McKenna uses. Tin hat on but I can see him moving on elsewhere fairly quickly. Hutchinson on the other hand, although headless at times with his approach play ,seems to have adapted really well... Strange that.
 
Blown away by how many people are basing the success of this move on how much £££ he earns. Obviously, he's earning more money fantastic. Doesn't stop the move being bad for his career.
 
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AmblerThorn said:
How can it be?

He's proving he can't play in the PL

Jack you're shit. Doesn't matter. I got a pay rise for a season

Don't accuse me of being sentimental or old fashioned by daring to suggest footballers might also be driven by other factors
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I think he'll be fine in the PL. Looked dangerous last night.
SAFCBlandy said:
It seems like some people are operating under some sort of delusion that if he'd stayed with us he'd be banging in goals for us in the PL next season as we comfortably cruise to midtable or something. Do they not realize that even if he had stayed "for the good of his career" or whatever people are telling themselves, he would quite likely have ended up in the exact same situation he's in now only with us in Ipswich's place? And that's assuming we would get promoted with him this season in the first place, which would be far from guaranteed.
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I think we have a lot more potential than Ipswich. If we go up, I think we'll stay up.
 
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