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Jack Clarke

RedRoseBlackCat said:
Trying to look at it from the player's point of view, the lad's still early in his career, but he'd probably reached a bit of a ceiling with us. Guaranteed pick every week and Championship full backs were starting to not really be a challenge. A year's a long time when it comes to growing as a player and he maybe felt he needed to put himself in a less secure situation to keep improving. The extra money couldn't hurt either.

Wish the lad all the best tbh. Hope he can break into their team and stick a few past the mags this season.
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Then come home with Amad next season (wake me up !)
 

Keyser Soze said:
So you agree then? It wasn't his agents decision....it was Jack's
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If you re-read the original post I said Clarke would have probably been happy staying until his agent started to make noises and speaking to clubs. Ipswich were offering more than double his salary. He’s hardly going to turn that down.
If a company offers you twice/three times your current salary regardless of you being happy at your place of work, you are going to accept it.
Stop being pedantic
 
Mag Slayer said:
If you re-read the original post I said Clarke would have probably been happy staying until his agent started to make noises and speaking to clubs. Ipswich were offering more than double his salary. He’s hardly going to turn that down.
If a company offers you twice/three times your current salary regardless of you being happy at your place of work, you are going to accept it.
Stop being pedantic
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Not necessarily - especially if i was really happy there and already earning an excellent salary. Money is not the sole motivator for a good life you know.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Not necessarily - especially if i was really happy there and already earning an excellent salary. Money is not the sole motivator for a good life you know.
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So if someone offered you double or triple the money to day essentially the same job at a higher level allowing you to test yourself against the best in the world and with more chance of further advancements and bearing in mind your career could stop tomorrow if you wrecked your knee at work you wouldn't accept it? I think you would be in an extremely small minority there.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Not necessarily - especially if i was really happy there and already earning an excellent salary. Money is not the sole motivator for a good life you know.
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A footballer has a very short career. It can also be cut short in an instant.

They need to make their money when they can.
 
taipeisafc said:
So if someone offered you double or triple the money to day essentially the same job at a higher level allowing you to test yourself against the best in the world and with more chance of further advancements and bearing in mind your career could stop tomorrow if you wrecked your knee at work you wouldn't accept it? I think you would be in an extremely small minority there.
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I was asked about 'my' place of work - and and knee injury wouldn't be a factor with me so not relevant ;) I get your point and agree it's very tempting for anyone, but my responses to the original poster was him seeming to defend Clarke and claim it was his agent's doing, when ultimately Clarke chose to go. So i agree with you about the football world and a player like Clarke's choice.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Not necessarily - especially if i was really happy there and already earning an excellent salary. Money is not the sole motivator for a good life you know.
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When you are a professional footballer you have a short career. 15 years maybe? So you need to earn as much as you can in that time frame.
Was Jack Clarke on an excellent salary with us? Probably not for being one of the best players in the championship.
 
if nothing else it forces us to change our play a bit


how many times did we say we only had 1 way of playing last year and if you nullified Clarke we had no plan B

so it may have come as a rude awakening in the short term, but it may be for the betterment of the entire team going forward.

he will benefit, the club will benefit and team may share things round a bit more..instead of always looking for that ball to clarke, it forces us to be more flexible
 
If someone offered me double my money I'd snap their hands off
BUT
if i did my homework and realise that my new place of work would not be able to afford me in less than a year then i would have to relocate again. My value could drop considerably whereas if I'd stayed where i was there would have been a very strong possibility of me TRIPLING my money and finding a more secure place of employment.
If you get my drift.
 
Mag Slayer said:
When you are a professional footballer you have a short career. 15 years maybe? So you need to earn as much as you can in that time frame.
Was Jack Clarke on an excellent salary with us? Probably not for being one of the best players in the championship.
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But you asked me about 'my' place of work - and my response was about that

I agree with you about footballers though and that's why he left - but you were trying to suggest it was his agent's doing, when Clarke wanted to go for the money and fair play to him.
 
GingerNick said:
if nothing else it forces us to change our play a bit


how many times did we say we only had 1 way of playing last year and if you nullified Clarke we had no plan B

so it may have come as a rude awakening in the short term, but it may be for the betterment of the entire team going forward.

he will benefit, the club will benefit and team may share things round a bit more..instead of always looking for that ball to clarke, it forces us to be more flexible
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Agree with all of this - we were becoming bit too reliant on Clarke and this gives the others a chance now to evolve us into a more coherent team.
 
Nothing equates to millionaires moving down to relative non league football standard in Saudi.

The lad has moved up a league and probably trebled his relatively low wages ( compared to others that is ).
 
Keyser Soze said:
But you asked me about 'my' place of work - and my response was about that

I agree with you about footballers though and that's why he left - but you were trying to suggest it was his agent's doing, when Clarke wanted to go for the money and fair play to him.
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If you were getting offered 2-3 times your salary elsewhere for doing the same job and wouldn’t move fair play to the loyalty.
 
BIG MAL said:
If someone offered me double my money I'd snap their hands off
BUT
if i did my homework and realise that my new place of work would not be able to afford me in less than a year then i would have to relocate again. My value could drop considerably whereas if I'd stayed where i was there would have been a very strong possibility of me TRIPLING my money and finding a more secure place of employment.
If you get my drift.
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Loads of people tout the line 'if i was offered double' etc but these people might be on 28k a year or something. It's completely different. You are more than comfortable on 15k a week or whatever so 30k to sit on a bench, play in the reserves and probably get relegated seems pointless IMO.

If he was 29 and his only and last chance to play in the PL fair enough. He has time on his side and the decision looks mainly down to money. It's a very real possibility he could only have 28-30 games in the PL, if he stays injury free and could end up relegated never to play there again.
 
BIG MAL said:
If someone offered me double my money I'd snap their hands off
BUT
if i did my homework and realise that my new place of work would not be able to afford me in less than a year then i would have to relocate again. My value could drop considerably whereas if I'd stayed where i was there would have been a very strong possibility of me TRIPLING my money and finding a more secure place of employment.
If you get my drift.
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The other way of looking at it.

If for whatever reason didn't have as good a season staying with us whether it be form or injuries he may not get the big move next season

All ifs and buts. I don't blame Clarke for leaving. Long contract on plenty money and a chance of playing Premier league football. Hope he does well
 
GingerNick said:
if nothing else it forces us to change our play a bit


how many times did we say we only had 1 way of playing last year and if you nullified Clarke we had no plan B

so it may have come as a rude awakening in the short term, but it may be for the betterment of the entire team going forward.

he will benefit, the club will benefit and team may share things round a bit more..instead of always looking for that ball to clarke, it forces us to be more flexible
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Under RLB we play as a team this season, that's clear enough to see. Jack was obviously able to fit in with this, but we can clearly do it without him too, and there's definitely an advantage to being a settled side without wondering if people are looking for a move away. I don't anticipate any big moves for our players in January, especially if we look like being strong promotion candidates, so we have a clear run as a settled team pulling in the same direction. The only real unknown now is whether and how the new lads will fit in, and keeping everyone happy and motivated. Nice situation to be in, let's enjoy it.
 
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