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[Locke's SAFC]

I love comparisons like this, utter bollocks. Ferguson has authority and control about him, he'd earnt the authority. He also admitted in recent years he had to calm down and manage players egos to get performances.

Management by hand grenade is what the Swindon chairman said about Di Canio, regardless of how many arseholes are on our books or how incompetent they are, laying into them and slagging them off at every given opportunity is never ever going to work.

He didn't need to manage Ryan Giggs' ego, or Roy Keane's.

He just sorted them out. If you want to be top players then stop going on the piss and being arseholes. And they listened to him. And they both went on to become top players.

Again, will someone point out when and how di Canio was slagging them off at every given opportunity?[DOUBLEPOST=1379959867][/DOUBLEPOST]

No damaging cars, no just Nazi salutes and pushing referees over. Controversy has followed him everywhere he's been.

Yes, mate, he crossed the line back then.

But, we're talking about now and his management of Sunderland's players.

He's fit as fuck and lives a professional lifestyle - a few of our lot should have been watching him closely.

 

[Maravilla]

These same players who can't seem to string 3 passes together?

If they were playing well and winning matches, then they'd have a point.

Di Canio could have been a bit craftier the way he went about things, but his underlying message was absolutely correct - the players are not performing and didn't under O'Neill.

So, the manager is like a bull in a china shop and tells it exactly how he sees it - his message is correct - "f***ing shape up".

And as others have pointed out, those players with big f***ing egos can't accept it - they argue about his 'style' because in terms of his message they don't have a f***ing leg to stand on.

What Di Canio always said was that if you accept second best, or 20th best in SAFC's current situation, then that is what you'll get.

But, of course, Di Canio wasn't prepared to accept that and resolved to do what it took to get that into their heads, but our players who have form for damaging cars, lying around in money in casinos, on the piss during the week etc couldn't take that as they don't want to face up to their lack of performances and it seems they don't agree with Di Canio that they need to shape up.

To say Ferguson was authoritarian when he needed to be is an understatement, but then he had the luxury of picking and choosing players because Man Utd is England's premier club - he wouldn't have chosen any of these with their attitudes.

If Di Canio was going to be a success here, he had to change his own mentality as much as any player.

 

[Perryqhill]

or MONs management , who will these overpaid pompous fucks play for

Tbf them 'playing' for someone still isn't exactly going to be the kind of level we want, as too many of them are average at best, we've been carrying too many passengers for several years.

 

[chuckyroll]

Tbf them 'playing' for someone still isn't exactly going to be the kind of level we want, as too many of them are average at best, we've been carrying too many passengers for several years.

we have plenty who will do well next season !

 

[Locke's SAFC]

If Di Canio was going to be a success here, he had to change his own mentality as much as any player.

f***ing hell, you gotta laugh.

Di Canio needed to bend for a club that is steeped in failure?!

 

[Perryqhill]

He didn't need to manage Ryan Giggs' ego, or Roy Keane's.

He just sorted them out. If you want to be top players then stop going on the piss and being arseholes. And they listened to him. And they both went on to become top players.

Again, will someone point out when and how di Canio was slagging them off at every given opportunity?[DOUBLEPOST=1379959867][/DOUBLEPOST]

He didn't need to manage Ryan Giggs' ego when he stopped him from talking to the press as a kid, or when he had 'scouts' out watching him and other young lads around Manchester? Didn't he go and drag him and Lee Sharpe out of a club once? He certainly had to manage their egos back then.

And he admits (not me, Ferguson) that in recent years he's had to take a step back and manage egos, rather than get stuck into them as he did in his past. Red what he says, not what I'm typing.

as for Di Canio, he shows little control in anything he does, he's a poor example to be holding up as one to follow.

 

[Maravilla]

f***ing hell, you gotta laugh.

Di Canio needed to bend for a club that is steeped in failure?!

Haway man, it was obvious exactly how his reign would pan out unless he reined in his ego. The management style he employed at Swindon was never ever going to work here, as much as we'd all love to see someone really bring some of the spineless twats in the dressing room down to size.

 

[Nelson!]

It was o'shea and cattermole that stood up and led the revolt[DOUBLEPOST=1379930532][/DOUBLEPOST]It was on behalf of quite a few players, 5 of the players we have signed over the summer had put in transfer requests.

Where is this from? Any suggestion of who?

If it's true I'd guess: Cabral, Giaccherini, Mannone, Altidore and Ba.

 

[Deleted User 18963]

Haway man, it was obvious exactly how his reign would pan out unless he reined in his ego. The management style he employed at Swindon was never ever going to work here, as much as we'd all love to see someone really bring some of the spineless twats in the dressing room down to size.

I agree with this too. Shame he couldn't tone it down because his ideas and professionalism was what we needed.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

What?! The point is that Ferguson didn't put an arm round them - he managed their lives by dragging them out of clubs - in other words, no f***ing about and do as I say not what I do.

 

[raven_5]

He didn't need to manage Ryan Giggs' ego, or Roy Keane's.

He just sorted them out. If you want to be top players then stop going on the piss and being arseholes. And they listened to him. And they both went on to become top players.

Again, will someone point out when and how di Canio was slagging them off at every given opportunity?[DOUBLEPOST=1379959867][/DOUBLEPOST]

But he managed Brown and O'Shea and made them top professionals. Paolo needs to manage his own ego before everyting else. He left Juventus, Ac Milan and Lazio exactly because of his big ego, anywhere he goes there are major conflicts involving him.

 

[Arthur Mullardo]

I agree with this too. Shame he couldn't tone it down because his ideas and professionalism was what we needed.

heard anything about some of the new lads putting transfer requests in...or is it bollox

 

[Perryqhill]

f***ing hell, you gotta laugh.

Di Canio needed to bend for a club that is steeped in failure?!

Erm yes. Di Canio needs to change his ways to be succesful and have any kind of longevity anywhere. There's a reason nearly every job he has in football ends in controversy, quickly and with a bang.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

But he managed Brown and O'Shea and made them top professionals. Paolo needs to manage his own ego before everyting else. He left Juventus, Ac Milan and Lazio exactly because of his big ego, anywhere he goes there are major conflicts involving him.

Yeah, but we don't know the involvement of Brown and O'Shea in this.

di Canio is undoubtedly egotistical - you'll find a post of mine a while back saying I hated all that orchestrating the crowd like the f***ing Nuermburg rallies.

But this whole di Canio's ego and authoritarian style is being used to cloud the real issue: he was right; the players need to shape up; he told them; they did't like it; the inference being that they accept being 20th in the league.

 

[Perryqhill]

What?! The point is that Ferguson didn't put an arm round them - he managed their lives by dragging them out of clubs - in other words, no f***ing about and do as I say not what I do.

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The Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has discussed his management style with Harvard academics.

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has revealed the secrets of his management style in a series of interviews with Harvard academics – setting out his approach to matches, team talks and disciplining "fragile" millionaires.

Ferguson, who spoke to the Harvard professor Anita Elberse and a former student Tom Dye in a series of interviews in 2011, also travelled to Boston earlier in 2012 to talk to current students about his approach to man-management, leadership skills and communication.

Among the key themes in the report that was based on the interviews – titled

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– Ferguson discusses his determination to prevent media leaks, how to keep players in line, and how to use a more sensitive approach to keep them happy, too.

"Players these days have lived more sheltered lives, so they are much more fragile now than 25 years ago," said Ferguson, who began life in management with East Stirlingshire in 1974.

"I was very aggressive all those years ago. I am passionate and want to win all the time. But today I'm more mellowed – age does that to you. And I can better handle those more fragile players now."

He added: "There is no room for criticism on the training field. For a player – and for any human being – there is nothing better than hearing 'well done'. Those are the two best words ever invented in sports. You don't need to use superlatives."

However, Ferguson also discussed the need for controlled discipline and respect, alluding to his famous "hairdryer treatment" technique.

"You can't always come in shouting and screaming. That doesn't work. No one likes to get criticised. But in the football dressing room, it's necessary that you point out your players' mistakes. I do it right after the game. I don't wait until Monday, I do it, and it's finished. I'm on to the next match. There is no point in criticising a player forever.

"You can't ever lose control – not when you are dealing with 30 top professionals who are all millionaires. If they misbehave, we fine them, but we keep it indoors. And if anyone steps out of my control, that's them dead."

He emphasised, though, the importance of taking a tailored approach to different individuals.

"One of my players has been sent off several times. He will do something if he gets the chance – even in training. Can I take it out of him? No. Would I want to take it out of him? No. If you take the aggression out of him, he is not himself. So you have to accept that there is a certain flaw that is counterbalanced by all the great things he can do."

He also discussed the best ways to deal with big egos, saying: "When I work with the biggest talents, I tell them that hard work is a talent, too. They need to work harder than anyone else. And if they can no longer bring the discipline that we ask for here at United, they are out.

You can't ever lose control, Di Canio had none.

You can't always come in shouting and screaming, tell that to Paolo.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

You can't ever lose control, Di Canio had none.

You can't always come in shouting and screaming, tell that to Paolo.

Don't be daft; these are human beings.

Ferguson was fabled for the 'hair dryer'. Keane laid into his team mates. Reidy called his underperforming players weak as piss.

What do they all have in common? They're all winners.

 

[Deleted User 18963]

heard anything about some of the new lads putting transfer requests in...or is it bollox

I don't know mate. Honestly, have not heard anything about that.

 

[raven_5]

Yeah, but we don't know the involvement of Brown and O'Shea in this.

di Canio is undoubtedly egotistical - you'll find a post of mine a while back saying I hated all that orchestrating the crowd like the f***ing Nuermburg rallies.

But this whole di Canio's ego and authoritarian style is being used to cloud the real issue: he was right; the players need to shape up; he told them; they did't like it; the inference being that they accept being 20th in the league.

Not that simple. Do you really think the players stand was "we didn't like you trying to get us in shape by trainig more, so you need to go"?

 

[Perryqhill]

Don't be daft; these are human beings.

Ferguson was fabled for the 'hair dryer'. Keane laid into his team mates. Reidy called his underperforming players weak as piss.

What do they all have in common? They're all winners.

Why are you ignoring the Ferguson quotes I've just posted?

 

[wigwams]

Yeah, but we don't know the involvement of Brown and O'Shea in this.

di Canio is undoubtedly egotistical - you'll find a post of mine a while back saying I hated all that orchestrating the crowd like the f***ing Nuermburg rallies.

But this whole di Canio's ego and authoritarian style is being used to cloud the real issue: he was right; the players need to shape up; he told them; they did't like it; the inference being that they accept being 20th in the league.

Big difference between knocking people into shape and making them look like twats publicly and treating them like kids in private. He had the right ideas but the only way he knew how to implement them was by bullying.