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Voice of fair play said:
Of course they have played better than us, and we shouldn’t look for excuses and I normally don’t.

However people are deluded if they don’t accept the toss has had a massive bearing on this game.
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at least if England wins the toss, India has a fair chance of getting back into the game (because it's their conditions) like. England become sitting ducks the other way around :lol:

Apart from Rohit, it's been an awful spectacle. Again India has the right to prepare whatever they want.
 
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Mr Redknapp said:
at least if England wins the toss, India has a fair chance of getting back into the game (because it's their conditions) like. England become sitting ducks the other way around :lol:

Apart from Rohit, it's been an awful spectacle. Again India has the right to prepare whatever they want.
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It's quite simple really.
Indian wickets turn more.
Indian batsmen play spin better ours.
Indian spin bowlers are better than our spin bowlers.

The more the wicket turns, the more chance of winning India has.
It is to their advantage to make a wicket that turns a lot. Not necessarily good for Test cricket.

I remember when India beat us with that extraordinary win in Chennai in 2008 in a two match series.
We knew the second Test in Chandigarh would be a draw. Sure enough, it was stopped with half an hour to play. The last over was bowled by Dhoni, with Dravid keeping wicket.

I was talking to a Saffer last year. He reckoned specifically in India, that there should be no toss and the touring side should automatically be given the choice of batting or fielding.
 
Yea I'm increasingly favouring the no toss for away matches as well. India, with home advantage umpiring, on this sort of pitch, batting first is pretty much a foregone conclusion.

When our second spinner is Moeen, it's a no-contest on spinning wickets. He's not a main option any more than Michael Clarke was based on taking 6-9. Moeen's role is maybe as a 5th option after 4 seamers in early season England. He can bowl the odd magic ball or spell. But he's not a main option, he's far too erratic and his 1-100+ on the first day, before some flattering wickets just killed England in a low scoring contest. He's redundant now because England have so many all-rounders with pace. I guess Stokes clearly not anywhere near 100% bowling fit played a part in selection, but Moeen should be retired from Tests and it is long overdue England looked at spinners other than those named Moeen and Rashid in the shorter formats. I reckon Anderson's career will outlast Moeen, if not at the very least in terms of being effective.
 
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My strategy has been to watch the full recording of the morning sessions and the highlights of the rest of the day. On these terms, Day 2 was pretty depressing. To be fair, few of the English batters got out to poor shots, but we're just obviously second best on this kind of surface. Our spinners are a particular point of concern - Bess and Ali are nowhere near good enough. I would agree with the points made above about Stokes' level of fitness. He cannot be regarded as an all-rounder, on current evidence.
So far, Stone, Foakes, Leach and, perhaps, Pope have come out with some credit, but we are just not in a position to compete, here.
 
England have won games at home with fewer deliveries bowled than in Chennai. No-one was complaining about the pitches then or it being bad for Test Cricket etc

It's a global sport and one of the few which permits the local climate and culture to have a real affect on the outcome.
 
sonson said:
England have won games at home with fewer deliveries bowled than in Chennai. No-one was complaining about the pitches then or it being bad for Test Cricket etc

It's a global sport and one of the few which permits the local climate and culture to have a real affect on the outcome.
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Slightly disagree.

I have no issues with different conditions, and conditions to suit home teams. That’s the benefit of playing at home and it adds to the variety of test cricket. I don’t think the no toss rule is a good idea at all either

2-3 day matches are, unless exceptions, bad for the game
 
Self inflicted probable defeat, I can’t think of any other series where we win the first test, then 4 of the team are not selected to play in the next.

still it will be interesting come the third test again.

just a reminder, Bess took a quarter of the wickets and scored 59 runs in a winning cause. Yes he can bowl dross as does every bowler in history

so from the first test we took out Anderson and Bess who took over 50% of the wickets and saw off kohli both times
 
To be honest I don’t think the team selection has made any difference. Key in the first test was that we won the toss and Root made a double hundred first innings. This time around they’ve prepared a completely different pitch, we’ve lost the toss and Root has scored no runs.

We made four changes to the team - three of them bowlers, so can’t really blame the changes when we get rolled out for 130 and the only non-bowler change top scores.
 
Jack Torrance said:
He mentions the Ireland game a couple of years ago, I’m pretty sure loads said it was a rubbish pitch including Root.
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He's just wrong like, sucking up to the Indians as usual.

England dont product pitches like that, and when they rarely do, they get widely criticised for it. However, he seems to think that India are beyong criticism here. He keeps referencing the Lords test match against India, which was nothing to do with the pitch, which was flat. It was completed covered over in cloud and Jimmy and Woakes swung it round corners. We literally cant do anything about that! Cant get God to remove the clouds can we. When the sun game out, the pitch was fine, the flattest of the summer, and Chris Woakes made a 100 from it.

There is no aversion to spinning pitches, I like them, the cricket on the last 2 tours of Sri Lanka has been great.

This is a sub standard pitch, not up to international standards, and it has been an absolutely awful spectacle. The only argument he has seems to be that Rohit made runs on it, so what if he did? good for him, class innings. But its been an absolute lottery.

I honestly think if a county side rocket up and won that toss they'd be well ahead of the game. Its just not what I want to see in international sport.

As Mark Waugh pointed out on twitter, on the very first morning, regulation spin balls were taking huge chunks out of the good part of the pitch, not even where the footholes were. Thats not normal like, I've literally never seen that happen in 30 years.

Sub of the usual idiot journos trying to twist the argument as they daren't criticse India, usual stuff.

Bit of a meaningless test this for me, I'll watch the highlights but wont be tuning in, pointless cricket.
rentaghost said:
Everyone loves George Dobell on here - I'm expecting full agreement.
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Not here, the blokes a complete tosser.

I've met him numerous times through work, you'll struggle to find a bloke more up his own arse.

....and before you say me...I am actually very placid and quiet in real life, which is why I like to vent on here. I am not like Larry David, and have a filter.
 
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