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How long can Rafa last?

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KingMackem said:
Thanks marra
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You’re welcome I can’t even bring myself to call you thick, stupid, bi - polar or anything like that. I genuinely believe you think you are one of us ( or would like to be ). Hell, I can even believe you would actually come out and diss the Geordie nation

Oops! Forgot to add. When we were top dogs, beating them and all that, what did you say about it/ them ? Just wondering like
 

4everredandwhite said:
You’re welcome I can’t even bring myself to call you thick, stupid, bi - polar or anything like that. I genuinely believe you think you are one of us ( or would like to be ). Hell, I can even believe you would actually come out and diss the Geordie nation
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I always thought you were a decent poster marra, of course I think I'm one of you I'm red and white marra

Sunlun red and white not boro red and white
 
The Fish said:
All I'm seeing is
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so whatever pithy gif you're using @BigPete I'm afraid I can't see it
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Pity as it's quite pithy.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
What A Waster said:
No, there's always going to be anomalies. Palace or QPR for example. It's a massive factor though. Have a look at net spend vs average league position over the same period and there'll be a clear correlation. Same as wage bill vs league position tends to show if you're paying more you've got better players and tend to finish higher
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Didn't work for us. :evil:

The Fish said:
All I'm seeing is
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so whatever pithy gif you're using @BigPete I'm afraid I can't see it
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Pity as it's quite pithy.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
What A Waster said:
No, there's always going to be anomalies. Palace or QPR for example. It's a massive factor though. Have a look at net spend vs average league position over the same period and there'll be a clear correlation. Same as wage bill vs league position tends to show if you're paying more you've got better players and tend to finish higher
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Didn't work for us. :evil:

KingMackem said:
Don't talk sense marra.. some of my fellow mlfs on here can't comprehend it
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And there we have it. King Mag just couldn't resist. Thick as the gravy stains on a fat Mags shirt.
 
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Binxy said:
But he hasn't Ashleys spent more on transfers than he's received.
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Look, I know this is difficult for you, but we are discussing Rafa here. So the relevant period is from when he took over to now. In that period he's brought in more than he's spent. We had a fire sale of decent players (some with dubious attitudes) and replaced the gaps this created in the squad with lesser players. Most of your mates could see that while these got us out of the championship with relative ease they were going to be obviously found wanting in the top flight. None of the resident mags on here disagreed with that.

It's quite clear that Ashley has been angling to sell the club. He's holding on to that cash as he knows the price he's going to get is not going to change whether he strengthens or not, so why bother spending his own money.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. I realise that some on here are on a wind up, but the vast majority aren't and are making right dicks of themselves in the process.
 
4everredandwhite said:
Lol, I was just thinking that myself. You are too hard on him, can’t you see, anyone who goes to such lengths to be one of us is clearly in denial. Isn’t that so King Mackem ?
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The lengths he’s gone to prove his mackemness has won me over, maybe I was a tad harsh at first and for some reason was sceptical about his roots.

These last few days have had me change my mind about Kingo, he’s quite clearly one of us and I welcome him with open arms.
 
keybuk said:
Look, I know this is difficult for you, but we are discussing Rafa here. So the relevant period is from when he took over to now. In that period he's brought in more than he's spent. We had a fire sale of decent players (some with dubious attitudes) and replaced the gaps this created in the squad with lesser players. Most of your mates could see that while these got us out of the championship with relative ease they were going to be obviously found wanting in the top flight. None of the resident mags on here disagreed with that.

It's quite clear that Ashley has been angling to sell the club. He's holding on to that cash as he knows the price he's going to get is not going to change whether he strengthens or not, so why bother spending his own money.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. I realise that some on here are on a wind up, but the vast majority aren't and are making right dicks of themselves in the process.
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It's just a lot of my fellow Sunlun fans on here are completely blinded by absolute hatred and obsession for anything Newcastle.. arguing about Rafa on here is the same as trying to tell a life long religious person that god doesnt exist.. it's a waste of time marra
 
Binxy said:
Do you really believe Ashley scouts and buys the players?
The replacements will be what the manager or super scout Carr asked for.
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Ashley and his cronies came up with and stuck to the transfer policy. And while Ashley wasn't scouting the players, he absolutely was directing the purchases and sales. Hence not spending a little bit more to get Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro, and stockpiling cheap attacking midfielders because that's where the margins are biggest. Carr returned with lists of players, and inevitably the manager of the time was lumbered with whomever was cheapest. Like Riviere and not Lacazette.

If you can't see that, it's pointless chatting.

btw, I'm expecting hoots of derision because of the names I've mentioned, but as always these players were on our RADAR before they were famous but Ashley either pulled out of the deal, or never pursued it because of the price.

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you say this as if it is a pre-meditaded plan. if it were that simple, then he and every other chairman would be at it constantly. your scouts want most of the praise for finding such players for relative low prices. if they turn out to be worth 10 times more than what you bought them for after a season or too, nearly every club outside of the top 6 then sell them on. its nothing new and nothing splits ashley apart from other chairman. it just happened to occur at Newcastle several times in succession and on a grand scale.
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This is the problem though, most clubs buy players to improve their lot on the pitch, but should some bigger club come sniffing around, they accept they have to sell.

Ashley's strategy was to buy players <26yrs old, from cheaper markets, in the hope that bigger clubs would come sniffing around. Regardless of the needs on the pitch. It's really that simple.

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None of which are really relevant to our current predicament
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You asked when Ashley had sold a player and not replaced him?
 
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KingMackem said:
It's just a lot of my fellow Sunlun fans on here are completely blinded by absolute hatred and obsession for anything Newcastle.. arguing about Rafa on here is the same as trying to tell a life long religious person that god doesnt exist.. it's a waste of time marra
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Gan and nick a flag you scruffy tramp

Also @The Fish again Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro :oops::lol:

Dortmund, Spurs or Newcastle.... Hmmmm

Face it lad it’s not the glory days of winning nowt in the 90s anymore
 
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The Fish said:
Ashley and his cronies came up with and stuck to the transfer policy. And while Ashley wasn't scouting the players, he absolutely was directing the purchases and sales. Hence not spending a little bit more to get Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro, and stockpiling cheap attacking midfielders because that's where the margins are biggest. Carr returned with lists of players, and inevitably the manager of the time was lumbered with whomever was cheapest. Like Riviere and not Lacazette.

If you can't see that, it's pointless chatting.

btw, I'm expecting hoots of derision because of the names I've mentioned, but as always these players were on our RADAR before they were famous but Ashley either pulled out of the deal, or never pursued it because of the price.



This is the problem though, most clubs buy players to improve their lot on the pitch, but should some bigger club come sniffing around, they accept they have to sell.

Ashley's strategy was to buy players <26yrs old, from cheaper markets, in the hope that bigger clubs would come sniffing around. Regardless of the needs on the pitch. It's really that simple.


You asked when Ashley had sold a player and not replaced him?
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The Fish said:
Ashley and his cronies came up with and stuck to the transfer policy. And while Ashley wasn't scouting the players, he absolutely was directing the purchases and sales. Hence not spending a little bit more to get Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro, and stockpiling cheap attacking midfielders because that's where the margins are biggest. Carr returned with lists of players, and inevitably the manager of the time was lumbered with whomever was cheapest. Like Riviere and not Lacazette.

If you can't see that, it's pointless chatting.

btw, I'm expecting hoots of derision because of the names I've mentioned, but as always these players were on our RADAR before they were famous but Ashley either pulled out of the deal, or never pursued it because of the price.



This is the problem though, most clubs buy players to improve their lot on the pitch, but should some bigger club come sniffing around, they accept they have to sell.

Ashley's strategy was to buy players <26yrs old, from cheaper markets, in the hope that bigger clubs would come sniffing around. Regardless of the needs on the pitch. It's really that simple.


You asked when Ashley had sold a player and not replaced him?
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So what about players like cabeye, Cisse, sissoko, debuchy, santon, Anita that managers were ‘lumbered with’?

It’s quite simple that if Ashley hadn’t have bought the club and the previous regime spent like they did, we would be lucky to still exist

I’m not against Ashley selling, but for everyone to let Benitez and the players off the hook so easily, just because the manager continuously makes public excuses, is bollocks

Rafa should stop hiding behind an easy target and do the job he gets paid for

Those players previous managers were lumbered with because of a transfer policy.......well Rafa is now stuck with the players we changed that model for, and let our manager spend £80m in the championship. In the CHAMPIONSHIP. How can people claim he doesn’t invest???

A regular investment is paying the managers wages every week. Wages to do a job and to ‘manage’ what he’s got. And if he’s got a problem with the squad he should keep that private rather than try to get his excuses out to the press. The players take ZERO responsibility as they know whatever happens they won’t be held accountable for our impending relegation, as most will hold Ashley 100% responsible
 
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