George Orwell's 1984

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  1. The Muffin Man

    The Muffin Man Central Defender

    So just finished reading this tonight. Anybody else read it, did it disturb you how close to the way life is it was. Utterly incredible read.

    Written in 1949 was it a commentary on what had just happened or what he foresaw happening? While we don't have the "Tele screen" in your house monitoring everything you do, for most people literally everything you do is or can be traced through the internet and electronically. And there has actually been a scandal about peoples conversations been recorded by their TVs and the contents passed on to third parties.

    The average person in the UK is filmed on CCTV 150 odd times a day, if you show "radical" thought in school then teachers must report you to the authorities, is this not a sign of thought control?
     
  2. jacko100

    jacko100 Winger

    he'd hate you for starting a sentence with "so"
     
  3. fyl2u

    fyl2u Striker

    Be careful. We're watching you.
     
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  4. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Central Defender

    Imo Huxley was far closer to the truth in 'Brave New World'.

    Orwell portrays a bleak authoritarian police-state future, where as Huxley portrays one where we're all so pampered and cared-for that we stop giving a fuck about others and let governments do what they like.

    It's quite scary how right he was.

    Comparison...
    "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that our fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us."
     
  5. Discopants91

    Discopants91 Striker

    If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
     
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  6. safcforever

    safcforever Striker

    Read it a few years ago.
    Loved it, since going on Facebook I’ve found loads of nutters that take that belief way too far
     
  7. Patch

    Patch Winger

    Anyone got any spare blades?

    I love both books, probably Brave New World the most.
     
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  9. royalmush83

    royalmush83 Central Defender

    I’ve read both books and totally agree with you. Wasn’t brave new world set like 400 years from now (500AF) ? Whereas nineteen eighty four was set more in the near future?
    To the OP aye mate it’s scary how much it’s like the present day.
    Try brave new world also.
     
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  10. George Kaplan

    George Kaplan Winger

    I've read it three or four times.

    I think I'll go on the 'irritating things' thread and whinge about people not properly understanding where 'Big Brother' or 'Room 101' come from.
     
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  11. Bishop Boy

    Bishop Boy Winger

    Read it recently, I was surprised by the ending, but looking back it does make perfect sense.

    It is scary how close it is to how we are now.
     
  12. roker beach

    roker beach Winger

    I read a book about people who live/d in North Korea, (Nothing to Envy) which reminded me of 1984. All democracies have these Orwellian tools available to gain information on us, but they tend to be used by companies to help us or make money from us.

    In North Korea they control the TV and the commmunications, can find out if you tune your receiver to pick up other signals, and encourage neighbours to be good citizens by shopping you to the police, from where you could end up in regional detention centres. The book flagged up the potential of totalitarianism and in one or two cases it was very close to the mark.
     
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  13. Dark Traveller

    Dark Traveller Striker

    I keep thinking about giving that one a read.

    One I’d recommend reading is Isaac Asimov’s The Complete Robot

    What a mind that bloke had! Some of the early short stories he wrote in the 1940s/1950s very much is about SatNav, drone tech, etc. One short story was about a bloke that has a “farm” of self-drive cars.... quite interesting considering where we currently are with that kind of tech.

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Teed

    Teed Striker

    Read Agenda 21, for a peek into your future, it's not a book, it's an action plan by the United Nations with regard to sustainable development. very worrying.
     
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  15. Kevj

    Kevj Winger

    Note that a reoccurring theme is the future is bleak. Despite some of the tech elements and surveillance coming true, living in 2018 is far from bleak.
     
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  16. KeefBeer

    KeefBeer Midfield

    Part of my 1973 o level literature reading.
    1984
    Day of the Triffids
    St Joan, George Bernard Shaw.
    My memory gives out now on what else.
     
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  17. raindog

    raindog Winger

  18. Started to read BNW and stopped. Must get back on it.
     
  19. The Archer

    The Archer Striker

    We had a cyber presentation at work and were told that certain smart TVs record conversations in the room they are in and it’s stored in some massive data bank somewhere.
     
  20. ReidysLeftLug

    ReidysLeftLug Winger

    You have just read it? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Try Escape from camp 14. I think you'll like that, if you can't get a hold of it let me know and I'll help you out

    :cool:
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2018
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