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Full body offside rule

It doesn't solve the problem (you can still be onside / offside based on a few pixels of an image of body part), and creates a new problem in which every team will now have to play deep to stand a chance against pacey forwards.

The underlying problem is the tech. We simply do not have the tech to automate this - it's not possible to determine the exact time the ball was played, or the exact movement of the players to the last mm.

Until we do have the tech, a better solution is real time human judgement. I'd 100% prefer to be on the receiving end of human error in the moment than to suffer a massive delay for people to try and figure something out based on imprecise tools. It's basically playacting. 4 refs in a room pretending they're using a supercomputer while watching the same blurry cropped gif as the rest of us.

Goaline technology has solved a problem. VAR simply displaces the problem, and at the cost of a far more sterile version of football. It's a failed experiment. Put the screens on eBay and give us our game back.
 

Matnab said:
Amazing how people can't visualise how mental defending would become. Imagine trying to defend a set pieces with attackers goal side of you whilst being onside.

Never been the rule.
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I have a memory of Alan Hansen taking about it, must have been a suggestion even back then
 
Hulkenburger said:
Will this not just result in teams abandoning a high-line defence so the game becomes more defensive?
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100% this. Teams will be petrified to leave any space in behind as strikers can now be a good few yards ahead of them and not be offside

You'll get likes of Pep complaining that teams just camp on their 18 yard line
 
Should be a lot more goals if that comes into place, ideal for the speedy strikers like, having a half yard start
 
Just when we had come to accept the VAR interpretation of offside, they decide to fuck around with it again. The problem is how long VAR takes, not the rule itself, like others have sais it just moves the problem along.

Plus, trialling it on the Canadian Premier league FFS where I would probably get a game.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Teams will just play a low block
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Attackers will still have that half yard, same when free kicks are coming in too.
Not too bothered either way but if it speeds up the var nonsense I'll be happy enough with it.
Won't be any of this was his toenail or other random parts of body offside, it'll be is there daylights or not which will be easier to check
 
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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
It just shifts the line so doesn’t help the decision. And it forces defenders to stay deeper

It’s a stupid idea
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The line will be a lot easier to see in most cases, as it is we spend minutes on miniscule margins every game, and if teams play deeper thats down to them
 
not spavin said:
Until we do have the tech, a better solution is real time human judgement. I'd 100% preferto be on the receiving end of human error in the moment than to suffer a massive delay for people to try and figure something out based on imprecise tools. It's basically playacting. 4 refs in a room pretending they're using a supercomputer while watching the same blurry cropped gif as the rest of us.
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This wouldn't last more than 3 weekends of games in the Premier League. People would be moaning about a linesman's call being wrong. They don't allow any leeway even though it's a bit harder these days to run the line and their margin of error can be feet and yards sometimes.

The tech they have in place is semi automated which should be quite quick. There are times that it may take longer but it's always within a few inches of tolerance, unlike the distances we saw pre VAR.

I've explained in great detail about the current 5cm advantage attackers to give them some of the benefit of doubt for close decisions. Yet how many reading this post know it exists and where to look for it? There's plenty info in that post if you want to learn about it.

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Short memory I’ve not. The sort of complaints managers had a decade ago were the same as today: the penalty we should have got for a clear push in the box but a reluctance by a referee to give it for fear of influencing the game. Managers were never complaining vigorously about offsides where...
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If you grasp the basics of that post, you may realise that all this rage about a toenail offside is a bit pointless as the line has to be somewhere but at least some benefit of doubt is going to the attacker.

All this daylight rule is doing is shifting the line but completely changing the way defending would happen, it's a joke of a suggestion.

dave hedgehog said:
It does but there'll be loads more goals allowed
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Not necessarily if teams just sit deeper rather than trying to play an offside line like they do now.

At least with a level offside line then the defender and attacker have a fair chance at getting to the ball.
 
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Boz33 said:
Or teams that play attacking football have that little advantage
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Im not sure they do. Man City, for example are one of the few to play a high line and will be far easier to counter.

To my mind, it will be more rewarding for defensive teams.
 
Linesmen can't judge whose feet are ahead. The relative movement of two running men's feet is impossible to judge. It has to be, for normal football at least, the torso that is used - as it has been, in practice, forever.
 
If it is still a part of your body that you can score a goal with that defines the lines for each player you are still going to have the same bun fight.

Var should just have a error bar/zone of tolerance where they don't intervene and just respect the on field decision. This would avoid the 'offside by a toe nail' scenarios that I think people just find instinctively wrong.

If your toe is outside of a reasonable zone of tolerance you are really a decent amount offside by that point so you shouldn't have much to complain about.
 
Coeus said:
Im not sure they do. Man City, for example are one of the few to play a high line and will be far easier to counter.

To my mind, it will be more rewarding for defensive teams.
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Not sure it will, and it stops all these 5 min var decisions in a lot of cases. Either way, anything that could speed the game up is a good thing nowt worse than having the game flowing then stop for five minute waiting on decisions
 
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