What about people who will lose there business & jobs from another lockdown?
If it was your job on the line would you still be for another lockdown?
For all those dead against more lockdowns
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What about people who will lose there business & jobs from another lockdown?
If it was your job on the line would you still be for another lockdown?
daveydavey
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Common sense. The OP , MSM and supporters of lock down are mentally off centre with covid hysteria IMO.
You seem to be the only hysterical one on here though.
Frankel
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I drove past four or five white vans today filled with more than one bloke and not one of the occupants had a mask on.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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I know of many people who already today have broken to rules relating to the childcare stuff and visiting family. People aren't buying into these half arsed pathetic rules.
MonkeyLove
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You have completely ignored what I said.
Economists have said that if you don’t control the virus it will fuck he economy. Certain parts of the US have experienced this where things have ground to a halt. Businesses shuttered because they can’t operate due to the number of people ill and consumer confidence through the floor as the fear returns to society.
If companies can’t operate and people stop going out and spending that’s what causes businesses and jobs to go. Lockdown is the last resort, not taking it and allowing the above to happen is not better for the economy. Controlling the spread is better for the economy even if that does mean short periods of lockdown.
So you think the solution is crack on as normal even if that leads to the slow drying up of the economy? A much better approach
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errant
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one more and i'd have had a line in bullshit bingo...
I’m happy to take my chances. If I get it I get it.
Tonton Zola Moukoko
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About 0.1% of the population had Covid last week according to the ONS. This includes pensioners and others who don’t make up the workforce. Also includes false positives, which, even at 99% reliability, could be responsible for up to 2200 false positive tests a day. Bit of a stretch to suggest that lockdown is better for the economy than no lockdown.
MonkeyLove
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But we are looking to the future aren’t we. Cases doubling every 7 days.
What percentage do you need before the lines at Nissan etc struggle to operate. You can probably times by 5 to 10 the number of people who need to isolate per positive case. In some scenarios much more.
Let it run rampant it also hammers consumer confidence. Leave pubs open but see how much trade they get if people are seeing 1000 deaths a day on the news. There will always be some hard cases but the vast majority of the public will shun the high street and leisure trade if things become out of control.
Ford shuts two U.S. assembly plants due to COVID-19 infections
Ford Motor Co on Wednesday closed two U.S. assembly plants as the coronavirus pandemic wreaked early havoc with the No. 2 U.S. automaker's plan to restart North American production and begin making its most profitable vehicles again.
uk.reuters.com
Tonton Zola Moukoko
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But we are looking to the future aren’t we. Cases doubling every 7 days.
What percentage do you need before the lines at Nissan etc struggle to operate. You can probably times by 5 to 10 the number of people who need to isolate per positive case. In some scenarios much more.
Let it run rampant it also hammers consumer confidence. Leave pubs open but see how much trade they get if people are seeing 1000 deaths a day on the news. There will always be some hard cases but the vast majority of the public will shun the high street and leisure trade if things become out of control.
Ford shuts two U.S. assembly plants due to COVID-19 infections
Ford Motor Co on Wednesday closed two U.S. assembly plants as the coronavirus pandemic wreaked early havoc with the No. 2 U.S. automaker's plan to restart North American production and begin making its most profitable vehicles again.
They closed the plant because of one positive test. One. If industry and society keeps reacting like that to one positive test,
I agree, the economy is fucked.
The scientific model which the government is following has many, many critics. It’s looking more and more likely that we’re going the wrong way with this.
We’re processing 220,000 tests a day, of which an absolute minimum of 2200 are going to be false positives. Thats at 99% reliability. PHE reckons the tests are 95-99% accurate. So with daily cases of around 3200.....
The doomsday scenario peddled by Ferguson and imperial college isn’t standing up to scrutiny.
If you’re under pensionable age the chances of dying from Covid are minuscule. Over the age and slightly worse but still extremely unlikely.
The media and countless gutless politicians are feeding the frenzy when the reality is somewhat different.
B
becs
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When Dominic broke the rules and went to Durham for childcare, Boris said he was doing what was best for his children and following the instincts of every father. If people are still asking family members to look after their children, that's totally fine because all they are doing is what is best for their children and following their parental instincts.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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It's fine by me as well and I know loads who broke the rules today with this. Should be left to the parents to decide what they feel is best for their kid(s) in this example. The rules are a complete waste of time
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I'm Spartacus
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What’s the car sharing one? I assume it’s something mad like I’m now not allowed to share a car to and from work with the 3 people I’ll spend 9 and 15 hour shifts with because they’re not from the same household or spunk bubble.
I’m not even going to look because I’ll just get annoyed.
FootballFan
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Holy fuck Harry man are you still going on with this, get a grip of reality and cop yerself on
ajsafc
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Harry Angstrom
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That is a constructive post. What is it that you disagree with. What alternative would you propose?
Bairn has just started 6th form in Durham. Has half of her lessons with her best mate, and gets the bus through to Durham with her. All permissible.
was refused a table in a coffee shop with her mate cos they’re not from the same household yesterday
was refused a table in a coffee shop with her mate cos they’re not from the same household yesterday
Chalks
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A lockdown is just a slight reset for 3 months and it goes again. Protect the vulnerable, triage any cases as well as posssible and let the virus run its cause until we have a vaccine
Locke's SAFC
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You're right in that we're nowhere near hospitals being overwhelmed, but there is a point of no return in terms of having no option but to impose a lock down in order to avoid the NHS being swamped.
I reckon we're closer to that point of no return than a lot of people realise. The R rate is almost uniformly above 1 across the country and in some places much higher. Given that we don't have a test and trace system in place to manage it and prevent further outbreaks, then it's reasonable to say we have lost control of this virus and we do not have the infrastructure in place to rein it in. We're entering that point where the virus is beginning to spread rapidly so with the R rate firmly above one you can see where this is going in the next few weeks unless something is put in place other than what we have at the moment.
So, we're left with restrictions being necessary, and the only question is do we take a gamble and hope we can avert the probable when the available data and infrastructure suggests we can't, or do we recognise the point of no return much earlier than we did last time (it is widely believed among scientists that the two weeks before lock down in March were absolutely crucial and resulted in thousands more people losing their lives).
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