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First summer signing close - Parkinson.

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Parkinson said he wants seven or eight players in to add to the core of the team that was here last season.

I‘d say we need at least 8 if not 9

GK, 2 x fullbacks, 2x centre backs, 2x forwards, 2x midfield players (at least one wide player in the latter two).
 
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1more said:
It comes to a point where you need to create a pathway to the 1st squad and show a bit faith in our young lads. Tell me what the alternative is? Have a squad of 22 - 25 senior pros? Weve trying that season after season it doesnt work

You also have to factor in the Parkinson doesnt rotate so you will be left with a vastly over sized squad draining our finances whilst youngest after youngest is released without a chance

Until we shift them they are part of the squad and cant be replaced. That is the hard stance I would take

Exactly. I couldn't put it better myself
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i dont think we should be putting in players that aren’t very good just to show there’s a pathway. I named 7 players that I would have in but unfortunately afew are going to move on. I think that’s a good number. Having some of the ones you named around the squad doesn’t make sense because they’re not very good and I know you know they’re not the best we’ve had.
 
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chopsfc007 said:
You can't just throw a load of under 23s who can't beat teams at their level in blind faith they can step up, gooch honeyman and hume got given games so they can get given a chance if they desurve it.
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Again that’s not what I said. That’s not what you’d be doing. You’d be removing redundancy from a squad and allowing young players to have a greater proximity to the first team. That’s all. You might get lucky with one or two but you’d be unlikely to suffer ill effects as we simply don’t use that many players. All the while you’d be making it clear to the talented young players at Safc that they have a slim chance at the club.

Only 24 players played more than 180 mins across all competitions last season. That’s on a season with huge upheaval in the squad and a manager change. Big squads are simply a waste of resources. Limiting the squad size and supplementing the squad with young players is absolutely what an intelligent Safc would do.
 
The Cabbage said:
Again that’s not what I said. That’s not what you’d be doing. You’d be removing redundancy from a squad and allowing young players to have a greater proximity to the first team. That’s all. You might get lucky with one or two but you’d be unlikely to suffer ill effects as we simply don’t use that many players. All the while you’d be making it clear to the talented young players at Safc that they have a slim chance at the club.

Only 24 players played more than 180 mins across all competitions last season. That’s on a season with huge upheaval in the squad and a manager change. Big squads are simply a waste of resources. Limiting the squad size and supplementing the squad with young players is absolutely what an intelligent Safc would do.
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What’s the point in young players being in the squad for sake of it, if they won't get minutes send on loan
 
The bulk will be players who Parkinson finds easy to manage, some lower level kids just happy to be playing professionally and a few old stagers happy to be still getting a game.
Any player with talent, ambition and a decent agent won't be coming anywhere near us.
 
The Cabbage said:
Again that’s not what I said. That’s not what you’d be doing. You’d be removing redundancy from a squad and allowing young players to have a greater proximity to the first team. That’s all. You might get lucky with one or two but you’d be unlikely to suffer ill effects as we simply don’t use that many players. All the while you’d be making it clear to the talented young players at Safc that they have a slim chance at the club.

Only 24 players played more than 180 mins across all competitions last season. That’s on a season with huge upheaval in the squad and a manager change. Big squads are simply a waste of resources. Limiting the squad size and supplementing the squad with young players is absolutely what an intelligent Safc would do.
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It’s what they should have done 2 years ago but they left themselves with a bloated squad making very poor signings in the process. Now a lot of the better young players have left and they’re in a position where the players left aren’t good enough to step up.

Even in January they could have showed some faith, they didn’t have to sign Semenyo or Scowen however Parkinson made the decision to sign both and sit both on the bench ahead of Kimpioka (who’d a goal from the bench in his second last game) and Robson (who’d had a good loan at Grimsby.

Unfortunately the damage has been done and it’ll take afew year to put itself right. The players simply aren’t there now and it’s putting kids as back up for the sake of it.
 
Johnsafc said:
i dont think we should be putting in players that aren’t very good just to show there’s a pathway. I named 7 players that I would have in but unfortunately afew are going to move on. I think that’s a good number. Having some of the ones you named around the squad doesn’t make sense because they’re not very good and I know you know they’re not the best we’ve had.
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I agree we should have kept Robson. And I also agree that the likes of Taylor, Hackett, Hunter will probably wont turn out good effort however you are talking these lads being 5th choice here and I'd rather have some of our lads make up the numbers than some pro like Tommy Smith sitting on his hands earning a packet. You also never know if the chance arose one of these lads might grasp it
 
mikemanc said:
I think some of the retained players will leave, particularly central midfield and McGeady so 7/8 would probably take us to 18/19 experienced players
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If thsts the case then replace them when they leave otherwise they are here and part of the squad
 
chopsfc007 said:
What’s the point in young players being in the squad for sake of it, if they won't get minutes send on loan
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You have to give them an amount of proximity. With 23 senior players they don’t even get the chance to play 11 on 11 in training. They spend all of their time off in other groups. If they’re good enough and show enough they will get minutes. If there are 23 senior pros in front of them they’d have to be outstanding to even get a chance. And as a consequence we’d miss out on players who may need a little more time to acclimatise - whilst discouraging generation after generation in our younger age groups.

While we Are outside of the PL we will always need to fight to carve out a selling point for our youth system. We probably need that if and when we get to the pl too. This is bigger than one season - and certainly more important than a small chance that we may need to give a few throwaway minutes to a young player who might not quite have enough to make it.
Johnsafc said:
It’s what they should have done 2 years ago but they left themselves with a bloated squad making very poor signings in the process. Now a lot of the better young players have left and they’re in a position where the players left aren’t good enough to step up.

Even in January they could have showed some faith, they didn’t have to sign Semenyo or Scowen however Parkinson made the decision to sign both and sit both on the bench ahead of Kimpioka (who’d a goal from the bench in his second last game) and Robson (who’d had a good loan at Grimsby.

Unfortunately the damage has been done and it’ll take afew year to put itself right. The players simply aren’t there now and it’s putting kids as back up for the sake of it.
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Unless we show we’re serious about committing to youth we'll lose the next lot as well.
 
Alfa said:
Parkinson said he wants seven or eight players in to add to the core of the team that was here last season.

I‘d say we need at least 8 if not 9

GK, 2 x fullbacks, 2x centre backs, 2x forwards, 2x midfield players (at least one wide player in the latter two).
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I’d agree, but I think we need only one full back with Flanagan back. A good quality right back ideally.
 
The Cabbage said:
You have to give them an amount of proximity. With 23 senior players they don’t even get the chance to play 11 on 11 in training. They spend all of their time off in other groups. If they’re good enough and show enough they will get minutes. If there are 23 senior pros in front of them they’d have to be outstanding to even get a chance. And as a consequence we’d miss out on players who may need a little more time to acclimatise - whilst discouraging generation after generation in our younger age groups.

While we Are outside of the PL we will always need to fight to carve out a selling point for our youth system. We probably need that if and when we get to the pl too. This is bigger than one season - and certainly more important than a small chance that we may need to give a few throwaway minutes to a young player who might not quite have enough to make it.

Unless we show we’re serious about committing to youth we'll lose the next lot as well.
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We need to sign better youth and give them a chance rather than selling them and giving a group of failures who can't beat teams at their level
 
1more said:
I agree we should have kept Robson. And I also agree that the likes of Taylor, Hackett, Hunter will probably wont turn out good effort however you are talking these lads being 5th choice here and I'd rather have some of our lads make up the numbers than some pro like Tommy Smith sitting on his hands earning a packet. You also never know if the chance arose one of these lads might grasp it
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Yeah I think it depends what position we’re looking at. I just think we’ve already shot our selves in the foot and completely missed the boat on this one but that’s what happens when you have owners that have no long term vision and are solely focused on getting out of the league to sell the club.

I don’t think we will add a centre mid for example so afew injuries there and you might see Dan Neil stepping up. I’ll be disappointed if they sign another Semenyo type player and Diamond isn’t around the first team squad other than that I struggle to see the immediate challengers to the squad and I also don’t think Parkinson is the right man for the club because he won’t have a focus on developing players. I feel sorry for Embleton next season because I don’t think he’ll get the opportunity
 
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chopsfc007 said:
We need to sign better youth and give them a chance rather than selling them and giving a group of failures who can't beat teams at their level
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That clearly needs to be part of it but if the squad size is too big, we simply won’t be able to give them chances in any case
 
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