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[Mr Redknapp]

With Somerset being on a bye week during the next round of CC fixtures that means Bashir won't be playing any cricket before the Zimbabwe test, and over a month since he last played any cricket. Not ideal for a young spinner.

He's been a bit quiet playing for England recently but I still rate Shoaib, think he has talent.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Harmer is South African

Who will do the best job for England, literally all the matters


He didn’t play for England the year before that snd was thrown in with no practice games due to covid

2019 ashes he bowled well

Sorry like but you just twist the truth and post some ridiculous stuff regarding him

The nonsense you posted the other week about him now bowling. Utter nonsense

Was making the point that the wicket must be suiting spinners for a spinner to open the bowling what nationality Harmer is is irrelevant to the point I was putting across

 

[Turner the Cat]

Not sure it’s that straightforward like in this particular game as the wicket obviously very much suiting spin, as Harmer not only got 4 wickets in Somerset’s innings he actually opened the bowling!

Think Leach is probably best of a average bunch but don’t think as stated above from this game you can you just go of the bare stats

Perhaps but you've still got to show up and do the business which he's done. Strange though if its such a strong wicket for spin that they've barely bowled Vaughan and not picked Bashir at all (unless there was a request for him not to play)

Yeah he was last time we went to Australia they destroyed him in one of the early test matches.

Personally I would not pick Leach as don’t really rate him, problem is don’t really rate any spinners in this country which lies the problem.

Depending on the wickets and conditions I would seriously consider picking 4 seamers and using Root and Bethell assuming he plays as spin options.

Such is the lack of depth in the spin department

It was one innings where he went for 102 off 13 overs. He was okay economy wise for the rest of the series though and the last innings he bowled he managed 84-4. As @MustardAndOnions says, did well against Australia in England.

Joe Root averages only 25 in Banglesdesh over 4 innings (same number of innings Leach bowled in Australia) but that doesnt mean I've come to the conclusion that Root isnt good enough to bat in Bangladesh.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Harmer is South African

Who will do the best job for England, literally all the matters


He didn’t play for England the year before that snd was thrown in with no practice games due to covid

2019 ashes he bowled well

Sorry like but you just twist the truth and post some ridiculous stuff regarding him

The nonsense you posted the other week about him now bowling. Utter nonsense

I just happen to think Leach is not international class if it’s ok to have a view???

Perhaps but you've still got to show up and do the business which he's done. Strange though if its such a strong wicket for spin that they've barely bowled Vaughan and not picked Bashir at all (unless there was a request for him not to play)


It was one innings where he went for 102 off 13 overs. He was okay economy wise for the rest of the series though and the last innings he bowled he managed 84-4. As @MustardAndOnions says, did well against Australia in England.

Joe Root averages only 25 in Banglesdesh over 4 innings (same number of innings Leach bowled in Australia) but that doesnt mean I've come to the conclusion that Root isnt good enough to bat in Bangladesh.

Hway mate be fair, as much as I agree that you would have expected Vaughan to bowl more overs.

Surely just must concede for Essex to open the bowling in the first innings of a red ball game with a spin bowler has to show the wicket must strongly be favoring spin?

That simply doesn’t happen unless it is??

 

[Turner the Cat]

Hway mate be fair, as much as I agree that you would have expected Vaughan to bowl more overs.

Surely just must concede for Essex to open the bowling in the first innings of a red ball game with a spin bowler has to show the wicket must strongly be favoring spin?

That simply doesn’t happen unless it is??

I'm not disagreeing with you on that I'm just saying its surprising they've not used Vaughan more or picked Bashir given the wicket. If England are going to pick Bashir then it would have done him good.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I'm not disagreeing with you on that I'm just saying its surprising they've not used Vaughan more or picked Bashir given the wicket. If England are going to pick Bashir then it would have done him good.

I think that the problem mate, with respect Bashir bang average as well.

I genuinely think it’s a big problem our spin options in this country.

I would go as far as to say of all the major cricketing nations playing test matches our spin bowling department possibly the worst.

I think the fact Basir and Leach have done ok at times is down to the excellent management of Stokes and McCullum getting the best out of limited talent in that area

 

[MustardAndOnions]

I just happen to think Leach is not international class if it’s ok to have a view???

Hway mate be fair, as much as I agree that you would have expected Vaughan to bowl more overs.

Surely just must concede for Essex to open the bowling in the first innings of a red ball game with a spin bowler has to show the wicket must strongly be favoring spin?

That simply doesn’t happen unless it is??

You were picking out some nonsense last week about how somerset didn’t bowl him first innings shows he’s shite

Now he takes wickets, nah the pitch was spinning also shite

He has took 150 test wickets like btw

I think that the problem mate, with respect Bashir bang average as well.

I genuinely think it’s a big problem our spin options in this country.

I would go as far as to say of all the major cricketing nations playing test matches our spin bowling department possibly the worst.

“As well”

Leach is miles better than Bashir

 

[Voice of fair play]

You were picking out some nonsense last week about how somerset didn’t bowl him first innings shows he’s shite

Now he takes wickets, nah the pitch was spinning also shite

He has took 150 test wickets like btw


“As well”

Leach is miles better than Bashir

Yeah Leach is better than Bashir have always agreed with your view on that

But that doesn’t mean he a strong bowler at international level, like I said above our spinners as opposed to other nations are poorer imo.

Not even getting into the debate about the wicket spinning as it obviously is.

for Essex to open with their spinner in the first innings of a red ball game shows it must be, which you must know?

 

[scotch]

Yeah he was last time we went to Australia they destroyed him in one of the early test matches.

Personally I would not pick Leach as don’t really rate him, problem is don’t really rate any spinners in this country which lies the problem.

Depending on the wickets and conditions I would seriously consider picking 4 seamers and using Root and Bethell assuming he plays as spin options.

Such is the lack of depth in the spin department

It's why I have no issue with a leggie in Ahmed batting 7 and there to add a point of difference to the attack

 

[Voice of fair play]

It's why I have no issue with a leggie in Ahmed batting 7 and there to add a point of difference to the attack

Yeah guess it worth a go

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Yeah Leach is better than Bashir have always agreed with your view on that

But that doesn’t mean he a strong bowler at international level, like I said above our spinners as opposed to other nations are poorer imo.

Not even getting into the debate about the wicket spinning as it obviously is.

for Essex to open with their spinner in the first innings of a red ball game shows it must be, which you must know?

What is the f***ing problem with it being a spinning wicket

He’s a spin bowler ffs

 

[Voice of fair play]

What is the f***ing problem with it being a spinning wicket

He’s a spin bowler ffs

If you read through the posts mate, you can see my first response on this thread, was to someone who said Leach was doing well in this game.

All I said was the bare stats have to be put in context because it a spinning wicket and the opposition opened with a spin bowler, suggesting it easier to take wickers for a spinner on this track.

No problem at all with it be a spinning wicket just putting some context into it, in the fact that the spinner from both sides has taken wickers

It’s just a view and point made, no idea with you need to use ‘ f***ing problem or laughing emoji just putting across a view.

 

[The Breen Machine]

It's why I have no issue with a leggie in Ahmed batting 7 and there to add a point of difference to the attack

He can barely get a bowl for Leicestershire at the moment.

 

[MustardAndOnions]

If you read through the posts mate, you can see my first response on this thread, was to someone who said Leach was doing well in this game.

All I said was the bare stats have to be put in context because it a spinning wicket and the opposition opened with a spin bowler, suggesting it easier to take wickers for a spinner on this track.

No problem at all with it be a spinning wicket just putting some context into it, in the fact that the spinner from both sides has taken wickers

It’s just a view and point made, no idea with you need to use ‘ f***ing problem or laughing emoji just putting across a view.

You pick a spinner so he can bowl in case the wicket spins

Fact you are trying diminish it for that reason, just weird

 

[Voice of fair play]

You pick a spinner so he can bowl in case the wicket spins

Fact you are trying diminish it for that reason, just weird

It’s just a view/opinion

I happen to agree with you on a few things with England that others may not such as I would play Crawley as opener especially in Australia and believe very much that McCullum and Stokes have done a great job with England.

Just happen to disagree with you on the capability and quality of Leach if that ok?

It’s not weird at all, just a difference of opinion

 

[MustardAndOnions]

It’s just a view/opinion

I happen to agree with you on a few things with England that others may not such as I would play Crawley as opener especially in Australia and believe very much that McCullum and Stokes have done a great job with England.

Just happen to disagree with you on the capability and quality of Leach if that ok?

It’s not weird at all, just a difference of opinion

It’s nothing to do with disagreeing

Not bothered if you don’t rate him but twisting facts and logic to prove your point is just pointless and just poor form

 

[smoker]

Fun fact, Jack Leach has the best test bowling average, for any England spinner, since Graeme Swann. He isn't Jim Laker but he's the best available atm.

 

[The Breen Machine]

Fun fact, Jack Leach has the best test bowling average, for any England spinner, since Graeme Swann. He isn't Jim Laker but he's the best available atm.

I think that sums it up succinctly. He's not going to blow through teams but he's certainly someone who will pick up wickets, can hold up and end and is largely consistent.

He's not in the class of Lyon, but there'll not be many test sides with a better spinner than him at the moment.

 

[mackembhoy]

You pick a spinner so he can bowl in case the wicket spins

Fact you are trying diminish it for that reason, just weird

Because Leach won't get a single wicket like Ciderbad against India or Australia this year so him doing well in Taunton is largely irrelevant for picking him. Bess got picked off the back of mainly taking wickets there and it did him no favours.

Now if Bashir had played on the same wicket and gone 0/150 then there would be an argument for picking Leach as England spinner.

I think Bashir not being picked over Leach for Somerset is a red herring. Most sides would always go for a more experienced spinner. As spinners generally get better with age. But this England side aren't most sides and Bashir gets given the support to get more out of him that he'd probably not get with Somerset. They also have seen Leach plenty and have decided at test level is the second spinner.

Bashir has to perform this summer though otherwise they surely have to drop him. I've got no issue if England pick Leach but I don't think they will

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Because Leach won't get a single wicket like Ciderbad against India or Australia this year so him doing well in Taunton is largely irrelevant for picking him. Bess got picked off the back of mainly taking wickets there and it did him no favours.

Now if Bashir had played on the same wicket and gone 0/150 then there would be an argument for picking Leach as England spinner.

I think Bashir not being picked over Leach for Somerset is a red herring. Most sides would always go for a more experienced spinner. As spinners generally get better with age. But this England side aren't most sides and Bashir gets given the support to get more out of him that he'd probably not get with Somerset. They also have seen Leach plenty and have decided at test level is the second spinner.

Bashir has to perform this summer though otherwise they surely have to drop him. I've got no issue if England pick Leach but I don't think they will

im not even saying pick leach But it doesn’t spin like that at Somerset anymore at all