England Players County Form

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Yeah it has to be a guide or what the point I agree.

And it has to be a concern Crawley’s form to even his biggest fan

But I guess that why the selectors are the selectors to look beyond just that and have a inkling off how they will perform and the higher level

Crawleys test form is the biggest issue. Actually no, it’s his test record in general.

 

[MustardAndOnions]

I haven't a problem with England. I hold the view that their "bazball" approach isn't always the right approach-there are match situations when a more circumspect approach would be more beneficial.

Maybe yeah I’m old school too like but I think people get like wrong impression it’s mostly about getting belief into players

I think that’s the way crickets going myself snd we win a lot of games

 

[Voice of fair play]

I haven't a problem with England. I hold the view that their "bazball" approach isn't always the right approach-there are match situations when a more circumspect approach would be more beneficial.

I think the issue I have with your good self is that when someone like myself praises their style you fairly point out they should have adapted better in games and altered their approach.

But I have never seen you point out to posters who constantly have a go at Bazball that it has been really successful on other occasions and the right approach at times.

Which would make your view that you like the approach more valid?

Crawleys test form is the biggest issue. Actually no, it’s his test record in general.

Yeah it’s a big concern mate I agree that more than fair

 

[MustardAndOnions]

It’s not just on county average no. But it should be a little, it’s a guide.

Of course yeah

But you need to pick players who can succeed to fast, hard wickets

Bat and ball

Sibley is a very good player btw But he isn’t suited to that type of cricket

Im not all in on bethel but he’s very unusual as he can hook, pull and cut quick bowling, that’s a weakness in our batsman who score highly in cc who never face it. So you can see why he’s a much better pick than some

 

[Voice of fair play]

Maybe yeah I’m old school too like but I think people get like wrong impression it’s mostly about getting belief into players

I think that’s the way crickets going myself snd we win a lot of games

Exactly been saying that for ages, it’s about giving belief to players allowing them to flourish and play with freedom rather than been frightening to make a mistake and been dropped.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Of course yeah

But you need to pick players who can succeed to fast, hard wickets

Bat and ball

Sibley is a very good player btw But he isn’t suited to that type of cricket

Im not all in on bethel but he’s very unusual as he can hook, pull and cut quick bowling, that’s a weakness in our batsman who score highly in cc who never face it. So you can see why he’s a much better pick than some

Equally we need players that can play in the sub continent and the wickets of the West Indies (which are slow as owt these days)

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Exactly been saying that for ages, it’s about giving belief to players allowing them to flourish and play with freedom rather than been frightening to make a mistake and been dropped.

Exactly and they want to win and theyve been ruthless with selection, the team has basically almost entirely changed since the last ashes, yet I keep hearing shite on here about a boys club and golf

Theyve literally dropped almost every single player!

They are ok test side I’m not as sold as you tbh but criticism and waiting for them to lose to have a go really winds me up

Equally we need players that can play in the sub continent and the wickets of the West Indies (which are slow as owt these days)

Absolutely yeah, and I’m a big believer in picking for conditions, Jennings should have opened in India. But again Sibley and burns etc never face big spin in the CC, they ain’t your men, theyre class at facing 75-80 mph on slow wickets in england basically

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Exactly and they want to win and theyve been ruthless with selection, the team has basically almost entirely changed since the last ashes, yet I keep hearing shite on here about a boys club and golf

Theyve literally dropped almost every single player!

They are ok test side I’m not as sold as you tbh but criticism and waiting for them to lose to have a go really winds me up


Absolutely yeah, and I’m a big believer in picking for conditions, Jennings should have opened in India. But again Sibley and burns etc never face big spin in the CC, they ain’t your men, theyre class at facing 75-80 mph on slow wickets in england basically

I’ve no issue with it not being Burns or Sibley btw.

I’m just a bit pissed with Crawley, he’s had more chances than even Ramprakash (who was a run machine at county level and probably would have been a lot better in a different England era)

 

[Parkside]

I think the issue I have with your good self is that when someone like myself praises their style you fairly point out they should have adapted better in games and altered their approach.

But I have never seen you point out to posters who constantly have a go at Bazball that it has been really successful on other occasions and the right approach at times.

Which would make your view that you like the approach more valid?

Can't say I've been aware of any individual being constantly critical or negative of bazball. Some criticism is perhaps ott but that's the way some express themselves.

 

[MustardAndOnions]

I’ve no issue with it not being Burns or Sibley btw.

I’m just a bit pissed with Crawley, he’s had more chances than even Ramprakash (who was a run machine at county level and probably would have been a lot better in a different England era)

I think Ramps is a bad example he got shit loads of chances

Just a reminder Crawley averaged over 50 against an all time great attack in the ashes. Like you can’t just ignore that
Not getting into it again anyway

Can't say I've been aware of any individual being constantly critical or negative of bazball. Some criticism is perhaps ott but that's the way some express themselves.

Well there has

But I mean who cares I guess just crack

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I think Ramps is a bad example he got shit loads of chances

Just a reminder Crawley averaged over 50 against an all time great attack in the ashes. Like you can’t just ignore that
Not getting into it again anyway


Well there has

But I mean who cares I guess just crack

Crawley has had more. Ramps played against peak West Indies and just as good Aussie attacks

 

[Voice of fair play]

I’ve no issue with it not being Burns or Sibley btw.

I’m just a bit pissed with Crawley, he’s had more chances than even Ramprakash (who was a run machine at county level and probably would have been a lot better in a different England era)

I do see that, but it’s the lack of viable other opening options that has played a big factor.

There was more middle order options for Ramprakash place

Can't say I've been aware of any individual being constantly critical or negative of bazball.

I certainly am aware of one or two

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Crawley has had more. Ramps played against peak West Indies and just as good Aussie attacks

And didn’t have a series like Crawley

That innings at Manchester is one of the all time great English ashes knocks

 

[Parkside]

I think Ramps is a bad example he got shit loads of chances

Just a reminder Crawley averaged over 50 against an all time great attack in the ashes. Like you can’t just ignore that
Not getting into it again anyway


Well there has

But I mean who cares I guess just crack

Hadn't realised that 50+ ashes Stat about Crawley. Certainly deserves a lot of credit in the bank for that.And yeh,if criticism is ott,so what. Faintly amusing that people can get so worked up.

 

[MustardAndOnions]

I do see that, but it’s the lack of viable other opening options that has played a big factor.

There was more middle order options for Ramprakash place

I certainly am aware of one or two

Sorry but Ramps was useless like, the fact he scored so much at county level made it worse just mentally weak

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

And didn’t have a series like Crawley

That innings at Manchester is one of the all time great English ashes knocks

That feels a little like hyperbole mate

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Hadn't realised that 50+ ashes Stat about Crawley. Certainly deserves a lot of credit in the bank for that.And yeh,if criticism is ott,so what. Faintly amusing that people can get so worked up.

I’ll be honest on Crawley I just want him opening in Australia, it suits his game, I don’t really care if he plays before or after that if that makes sense.

Agree on rest

That feels a little like hyperbole mate

Chunky

He scored a run a ball 189

This is my point, people just seem to ignore some of the things these players do

One of the best knocks I’ve seen for England, especially with the attack snd the occasion

Maybe as it rained and stopped us winning the ashes people forget But I don’t

Sorry but that’s not hyperbole at all

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I’ll be honest on Crawley I just want him opening in Australia, it suits his game, I don’t really care if he plays before or after that if that makes sense.

Agree on rest


Chunky

He scored a run a ball 189

This is my point, people just seem to ignore some of the things these players do

One of the best knocks I’ve seen for England, especially with the attack snd the occasion

Maybe as it rained and stopped us winning the ashes people forget But I don’t

Sorry but that’s not hyperbole at all

Fair point. I still think that Cook and Vaughan in Australia were better

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Fair point. I still thing that Cook and Vaughan in Australia were better

Yeah I’d agree for sure, but the fact he’s in that conversation is what I mean.

Fair point. I still think that Cook and Vaughan in Australia were better

Also the most Underated innings ever is Colly 200 against Warne and McGrath in Adelaide, Colly was a high class batsman against spin and pace and was unfairly labeled as limited

I guess that got lost too as we collapsed on day 5 against warne

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Yeah I’d agree for sure, but the fact he’s in that conversation is what I mean.

Yeah. But we could have Mark Butcher in there too.

I think that saying Ramps is useless is wrong btw. He was a super player with some mental issues at the very very top level, but in a team that was all over the place.

100 100s isn’t useless,