England in Sri Lanka (White Ball)

[The Rat]

It's about consistency. We can blow teams about 9 games out of 10 then have a complete no-show. India are more consistent.

No they aren't

England have won 9 series in a row, and they also got to the last 20/20 final, unlike India.

Hilarious the reaction on here, you can't win every single came you play you know

Shite. World cup favourites my arse. One game like this next year in a sf or final and FTECB's white ball project will be a laughing stock

Seriously hope you are on a wind up here

Laughing stock?

f***ing hell man, sort your life out mate.

 

[smoker]

No they aren't

England have won 9 series in a row, and they also got to the last 20/20 final, unlike India.

Hilarious the reaction on here, you can't win every single came you play you know





Seriously hope you are on a wind up here

Laughing stock?

f***ing hell man, sort your life out mate.

Standard Johnson fanboy meltdown.

No-one is saying we aren't a fantastic ODI side, but we need to cut out these random, one-off shite performances to win tournaments.

 

[Temp0101]

Aye this and we just don't have the mentality to win these things in any sport

India might lose a couple of pointless games in the group but they'll turn it on when it matters

We just beat them in an ODI series.

 

[The Rat]

Standard Johnson fanboy meltdown.

No-one is saying we aren't a fantastic ODI side, but we need to cut out these random, one-off shite performances to win tournaments.

You can't win every match mate, we have also rested a fair few players.

We are very very consistent

Its just the, this is the game that really counts, type attitude

No it isn't.

"Fanboy meltdown" I mean what on earth does that even mean?

We just beat them in an ODI series.

A few months after we just beat India in a one day series. The logic is bizarre

 

[Silly Point]

No they aren't

England have won 9 series in a row, and they also got to the last 20/20 final, unlike India.

Hilarious the reaction on here, you can't win every single came you play you know





Seriously hope you are on a wind up here

Laughing stock?

f***ing hell man, sort your life out mate.

Quite happy with my life thank you. Alright I support a few shit sports teams but can't have everything.

 

[The Rat]

Quite happy with my life thank you. Alright I support a few shit sports teams but can't have everything.

England are not a shit team, they are the best side in the world

 

[the dude]

As we are definitely going to lose and it's now pissing down can we not just concede rather than make everyone wait about for ages just to either lose on DLS or with 1 wicket?

 

[TheRey]

Not really, we are the best side in the world

Oh for sure. And IMO, we have a great chance of winning the next two World Cups.

Its just reassuring to know that even this side are capable of an Englandesque cluster fuck

Although as @Silly Point says, it does show how fragile the ECBs vanity white-ball project is.

 

[Silly Point]

Again no one is saying they're not a good one day side but to justify the prioritising of white ball cricket since 2015 and the appointment of a white ball specialist coach they have to win the world cup. Simple as that. But for reasons already stated I don't think they will.

 

[Steak Pie]

As we are definitely going to lose and it's now pissing down can we not just concede rather than make everyone wait about for ages just to either lose on DLS or with 1 wicket?

That would make sense to everyone, so probably no.

 

[The Rat]

Oh for sure. And IMO, we have a great chance of winning the next two World Cups.

Its just reassuring to know that even this side are capable of an Englandesque cluster fuck

Although as @Silly Point says, it does show how fragile the ECBs vanity white-ball project is.

It doesn't like

We don't need to win a world cup to show what a good side is

cricket can be pretty random like, anyone can lose on any day

But we win more games than any side in the world

Again no one is saying they're not a good one day side but to justify the prioritising of white ball cricket since 2015 and the appointment of a white ball specialist coach they have to win the world cup. Simple as that. But for reasons already stated I don't think they will.

No we don't

We really don't at all.

Just saying "simple as that" doesn't make it true you know.

 

[TheRey]

It doesn't like

We don't need to win a world cup to show what a good side is

cricket can be pretty random like, anyone can lose on any day

But we win more games than any side in the world

But that kind of backs up my point, mate. White ball cricket is pretty much a lottery - and the ECB have lumped every single egg into the 50 over basket to the detriment of everything else, in the hope it pays off.

Yes we have a fantastic side, and I fancy us to win every white ball game we play. But as we saw in the Pakistan CT game, on any given day our approach doesn't come off, and we can be skittled.

The ECB have bet the mortgage and the life savings on the 50/50 chance of it coming up black.

 

[Silly Point]

It doesn't like

We don't need to win a world cup to show what a good side is

cricket can be pretty random like, anyone can lose on any day

But we win more games than any side in the world



No we don't

We really don't at all.

Just saying "simple as that" doesn't make it true you know.

Ooh never been on the end of one of your meltdowns before. Quite exciting. Feel I've finally come of age on the forum.

Great so you want us to keep winning pointless ODI series while remaining average in Tests before inevitably f***ing up when it matters in the WC Ask most fans around the world and they'll say ODIs only mean anything when it's the world cup. Sure it's nice to win random series but no-one remembers it a few weeks later. Only parts of the home one day series last summer I can recall vividly are the record score, Buttler's innings at OT and Rashid bowling Kohli at Headingley. That's it.

 

[The Rat]

But that kind of backs up my point, mate. White ball cricket is pretty much a lottery - and the ECB have lumped every single egg into the 50 over basket to the detriment of everything else, in the hope it pays off.

Yes we have a fantastic side, and I fancy us to win every white ball game we play. But as we saw in the Pakistan CT game, on any given day our approach doesn't come off, and we can be skittled.

The ECB have bet the mortgage and the life savings on the 50/50 chance of it coming up black.

Its not, we win every series

That is good, the crowds consistently turn up and see England play well and most importantly they are really good to watch

Ooh never been on the end of one of your meltdowns before. Quite exciting. Feel I've finally come of age on the forum.

Great so you want us to keep winning pointless ODI series while remaining average in Tests before inevitably f***ing up when it matters in the WC Ask most fans around the world and they'll say ODIs only mean anything when it's the world cup. Sure it's nice to win random series but no-one remembers it a few weeks later. Only parts of the home one day series last summer I can recall vividly are the record score, Buttler's innings at OT and Rashid bowling Kohli at Headingley. That's it.

Me having a melt down?

You are the one having a meltdown because we lost one game

Why are they pointless? We sell out every single ODI at home, and they are fantastic entertainment, how is that pointless?

You sound like someone who never pays to go to to games then.

Ask most fans around the world? fuck is that even mean?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Ooh never been on the end of one of your meltdowns before. Quite exciting. Feel I've finally come of age on the forum.

Great so you want us to keep winning pointless ODI series while remaining average in Tests before inevitably f***ing up when it matters in the WC Ask most fans around the world and they'll say ODIs only mean anything when it's the world cup. Sure it's nice to win random series but no-one remembers it a few weeks later. Only parts of the home one day series last summer I can recall vividly are the record score, Buttler's innings at OT and Rashid bowling Kohli at Headingley. That's it.

Keep winning one day series is not pointless!!

We have brillant one day team which is fanastic to watch and will be whether we win the World Cup or not!

Why is say winning a one day series in New Zealand, any more pointless than winning a test series in New Zealand?

But that kind of backs up my point, mate. White ball cricket is pretty much a lottery - and the ECB have lumped every single egg into the 50 over basket to the detriment of everything else, in the hope it pays off.

Yes we have a fantastic side, and I fancy us to win every white ball game we play. But as we saw in the Pakistan CT game, on any given day our approach doesn't come off, and we can be skittled.

The ECB have bet the mortgage and the life savings on the 50/50 chance of it coming up black.

If we don't win the World Cup which I agree is a strong possibility, surely it's still good that we have a brillant entertaining, strong one day team?

 

[Silly Point]

I enjoy ODIs, I'm happy when England win, disappointed when they lose. But bilateral one day series mean naff all at the end of the day. Most are easily forgotten. The World Cup as in any sport is the pinnacle (cricket is a bit different mind with Tests clouding the water) I don't know what's so hard to understand about this opinion. I really really really hope we win a first WC but we probably won't. And that's where FTECB'S all eggs in the one day basket policy comes into it as @TheRey said a lot more eloquently than I could.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I enjoy ODIs, I'm happy when England win, disappointed when they lose. But bilateral one day series mean naff all at the end of the day. Most are easily forgotten. The World Cup as in any sport is the pinnacle (cricket is a bit different mind with Tests clouding the water) I don't know what's so hard to understand about this opinion. I really really really hope we win a first WC but we probably won't. And that's where FTECB'S all eggs in the one day basket policy comes into it as @TheRey said a lot more eloquently than I could.

You could argue just the same that a test win over West Indies mean naff all, because their proitise other forms of the game and their better players play on that.

I don't understand why you think their putting all their eggs in one basket as if their don't win the World Cup which I agree is the pinnacle of the one day game no one is saying otherwise, however their still have a hell of a one day team going forward.

What their have done


is change the culture of our one day team to a fanastic brand of attacking entertaining cricket that hopefully will last for years and years after the World Cup which surely is a good thing?

 

[The Rat]

I enjoy ODIs, I'm happy when England win, disappointed when they lose. But bilateral one day series mean naff all at the end of the day. Most are easily forgotten. The World Cup as in any sport is the pinnacle (cricket is a bit different mind with Tests clouding the water) I don't know what's so hard to understand about this opinion. I really really really hope we win a first WC but we probably won't. And that's where FTECB'S all eggs in the one day basket policy comes into it as @TheRey said a lot more eloquently than I could.

On that basis 99% of cricket means nothing

What does a test series against India mean then? fuck all really does it

You don't have to win a world cup to prove anything

England play a shit load of ODIs every year in the country, they all sell out, and fans going now have a great entertainment and a winning side

that doesn't mean fuck all, I don't get your point

On your logic the only game that means anything is a world cup final

 

[Voice of fair play]

Its this assumption that one day cricket is meaningless and test cricket is the only cricket that really matters that confuses me.

Especially the fact that viewing figures around the world do not uphold that point.

 

[Bri]

Its this assumption that one day cricket is meaningless and test cricket is the only cricket that really matters that confuses me.

Especially the fact that viewing figures around the world do not uphold that point.

Nor the opposite.

Viewing figures are simply that. There's no doubting shorter form cricket is easier and more convenient to view …. this doesn't necessarily mean it's more (or less important) it's simply a fact.

Nevertheless it is true that Test cricket (or County Cricket) is seen as more of a test of skills and endurance and patience etc. and a player who excels in those formats receives more respect. e.g. Joe Root is more respected for what he's done in Test cricket than in the ODI's even though his record there is pretty good.