• The forums will be unavailable for a few hours on Saturday 6th June, when they do return they will initially be in a degraded state with some features missing, but normal posting/reading will be possible. The main website will not be affected by these updates.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.
    Some other features of the forum are also currently disabled.

#DonaldOut

Status
Not open for further replies.

Hank Scorpio said:
The profit thing is probably getting a bit overplayed tbh. I suspect he is just hoping to minimise his losses now
Click to expand...

Maybe so
But then again it's about margins with these blokes... How close was the deal with fpp and what is a realistic achievable price with them now? Are they still interested?

How close to losing money is Donald? And is there a last throw of the dice

If the fans stop spending and stop dd then it becomes a money pit
 
Last edited:
Our protests started peacefully with orange hats just to show solidarity and visual numbers against the ex owner (15 years ago when we were on the brink of going under). After every game the protests went on outside the main stand.

Then it stepped up and began to get serious.
The gates were glued, private business were wrecked and physical attacks were attempted on the owner. The security at the games was intensive.
Not suggesting that is what you should do but even at a smaller club it become very serious and never reached national press (social media back then was less advanced).
A bad time in our history and eventually the takeover the fans wanted happened.
Yes I confess I was working with the Trust at the time and knew through contacts what was happening within the club. Every night phone calls and exchanging ideas. Bizarre when looking back and after this vowed that I would never get involved at that level again and to this day haven’t.
 
0verlord44 said:
He can only blame himself for this mess really.
They started off saying they would be accountable for mistakes etc, then they go missing or the information dries up when something big Does go wrong. Ie the takeovers.

actions speak louder than words, and he hasn’t took any for a long while
Click to expand...

Spot on. It was so obvious that the fan base were getting sick and he needed to start getting decisions right. I mentioned (Our owners and recruitment) before Parkinson came in that if he was Donald's choice he'd need to get it right. He'd made too many bad decisions previously. He wanted someone that no one else did. He's the owner, that's his call to make, but when you've already got a lot of decisions wrong if you decide to go massively against the wishes of the fan base you've got to get it right, show that you have the balls to do that and crucially the knowledge to get it right. When this appointment failed, when he didn't rectify it, when the communication ceased, he was always going to be at risk of this happening. We've all had enough these last few years.
 
Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
I thought the statement was good in terms of the 'last straw' regarding Parky.
Click to expand...
The last straw?
Wasn't the play offs our target last year?
I've been reasonably happy with lots of stuff untill the appointment of parky.

I thought from grumpys analysis and SD podcasts we have done reasonably well since they took over financially.

We spent big money for league one.

This season has been a disaster, with in hindsight an awful transfer window and a shit managerial appointment, but this January is his first time he can rectify that.
Surely this January transfer window should be the last straw, not a week before it opened?

I believe SD and CM and most fans and bookies thought we were in a good place to go up at the start of the season.
Surely a lot of that must lie with JR and what he said he needed for his squad after assessing them for over a season?
 
offmenut said:
If you want SD out, why wasnt a statement put out about all the bad things he has done?
It seems from the statement that we want SD out as PP substituted a defender for a defender when he was playing 3 at the back anyway.

I find it pathetic tbh.
Surely it could have been better?
Click to expand...
Desperate times... Desperate measures
I'm not going criticise a genuine outpouring of utter frustration

If you have a better alternative I think we'd like to hear it
 
Last edited:
Guinness Guzzler said:
For me, no, I don't think it will be.

Let's be honest, if they want the club but haven't bought it yet it's likely that a disagreement over the value of the club is what's holding it up. If that's the case, then this is great news for them because it ramps pressure up on Donald who, worried that it might translate into massively lower season card sales, may be more keen to get out.

Equally it proves that the passion is still there. Our fan base is often stated to be one of the main selling points of the club. With numbers dwindling they might think it will be a hard job to get people interested again. Instead this suggests there's thousands of people very much still engaged, just pissed off with the current owner.

It's only really a worry for them if they think they won't be any better at owning a club than Donald, and I'm sure they aren't thinking that! If they still want the club this is probably exactly what they hoped for
Click to expand...
I got a bit weary with the whole saga so didn’t follow it too closely but wasn’t the rumour that got the most traction that they were spooked, not by the valuation/cost of purchase, but by the level of work and investment required to get us competing for the Prem again? Wasn’t it suggested that they’re not really interested in owning/running a club at this level but would be keen to jump on board once Donald had used their £10m to get us in a more competitive position (pffft)?

That’s what I understood of it all but, as I say, I didn’t pay a lot of attention so I’ve probably got the wrong end of the stick. If it is the case though then I doubt they perceive us to be a more viable option now than when they were originally deliberating/negotiating.
 
Last edited:
:D
jsdftm04 said:
Theres been posts in the statement thread aye
Click to expand...
Probably just from me
0verlord44 said:
The fact it’s four rival fanzine/sites together is more important than what is actually said.

he tried to play them off against each other and it back fired.

they came together which is massive I think
Click to expand...
It is massive, but it's a f***ing shambles.
Surely they could have come uo with something better than the substitution of a defender, or drawing against a Bolton team who have only lost 3 out of their last 14 league games?
TAD said:
Has there been a statement or do you mean the time to go tweet?
Click to expand...
Theres been a joint statement from rawa, als, rr, saying that SD needs to go as we drew v Bolton and PP put on a defender for a defender (when we were playing 3 at the back anyway).
Surely they could be putting out more sensible stuff?
GBSAFC said:
Desperate times... Desperate measures
I'm not going criticise a genuine outpouring of utter frustration

If you have a better alternative I think we'd like to hear it
Click to expand...
A statement to state all the bad stuff SD has done.
To say why his position is untenable.
Or to say enough is enough, we will support you but the January transfer window needs to be good.
But not to say donald out as we drew v Bolton ffs.
 
Last edited:
sksk3021 said:
I don’t think the £10m was to cover running costs was it? It was fixing infrastructure.
I’m not sure the reason we haven’t sacked Parkinson is money related.
We should have plenty of money this year with parachute payments and reduced costs, I can’t see how we wouldn’t be making a profit.
Click to expand...

Yeah that’s what I’ve said, it was to cover the running costs of infrastructure. It’s costs a canny bit to run the club off field. If we are having to lend money to do this then we are in trouble already.

surely money is the only reason PP hasn’t been sacked. His tenure to date has been awful. He just needed to tweak a team that was on the cusp. Be a little more adventurous and turn draws to wins. He has done the total opposite and turned us into a relegation form team.
I’ll be amazed if we are making a profit and that’s with the £15m parachute payment. How are we going to cover that gap. See we break even this season. We are £15m worse off before we even start next season. That’s us instantly insolvent in any other business except football.
 
GBSAFC said:
The clubs value is dropping by the week... If we go down that value could plummet.
Stick or twist now for Donald lose tomorrow and you heading towards a relagation situation. Donald isn't stupid and he must be concerned that fpp are looking at this as midmsnagment of a business that has way too much baggage
Click to expand...
The thing is Donald is stupid, or at least is susceptible.

The "£10m loan" people are focused on is for improving infrastructure. Stewart is basically investing that money into the club before he defaults the same money to FPP.

It's like giving Jamiroquai £50 quid for new window wipers then taking his Ferrari off him because he owes you £50. If he was skint. And deluded.
 
GBSAFC said:
Maybe so
But then again it's about margins with these blokes... How close was the deal with fpp and what is a realistic achievable price with them now? Are they still interested?

How close to losing money is Donald? And is there a last throw of the dice
Click to expand...

I suspect after a few meetings with FPP it became obvious who held all the cards. I can’t remember who posted it, but someone on here made a good point that had Short still been around, he would have had more leverage during the negotiations then SD.

I do not believe that SD is as bad as he is being portrayed, but he is out of his depth. FPP will takeover, so at least we will have financial stability again. I’m also led to believe they have a lot of ambitious plans for us
 
sksk3021 said:
I don’t think the £10m was to cover running costs was it? It was fixing infrastructure.
I’m not sure the reason we haven’t sacked Parkinson is money related.
We should have plenty of money this year with parachute payments and reduced costs, I can’t see how we wouldn’t be making a profit.
Click to expand...
Infrastructure is a great place to spend the money... when fans cant see scouting improvement or academy structure. Seema a cop out
 
Hank Scorpio said:
I suspect after a few meetings with FPP it became obvious who held all the cards. I can’t remember who posted it, but someone on here made a good point that had Short still been around, he would have had more leverage during the negotiations then SD.

I do not believe that SD is as bad as he is being portrayed, but he is out of his depth. FPP will takeover, so at least we will have financial stability again. I’m also led to believe they have a lot of ambitious plans for us
Click to expand...
Aye monorail

Strap parky to it
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top