Do you think there will be a second wave?

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SAFCOldie said:
Indeed but it proves the point that this is not the highly deadly virus that we were originally told it was and in fact if Sweden had managed to keep it out of the care homes their figures would be reduced by about 60% IMSC. As it is they seem to be achieving herd immunity & can crack on with their lives supporting the economy whilst most of Europe returns to turmoil.


And yet France have fans in the ground and we a scrimping about with only 5 other people allowed 🤔
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If it was as easy as looking at Sweden and saying herd immunity "works" then every country would put a stop to the restrictions they have.

Do you not think it can be a bit more complicated than you are making it out to be?
 
SAFCOldie said:
Indeed but it proves the point that this is not the highly deadly virus that we were originally told it was and in fact if Sweden had managed to keep it out of the care homes their figures would be reduced by about 60% IMSC. As it is they seem to be achieving herd immunity & can crack on with their lives supporting the economy whilst most of Europe returns to turmoil.


And yet France have fans in the ground and we a scrimping about with only 5 other people allowed 🤔
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It proves the point that when you look at countries with similar populations and weat her, Sweden has made a big mistake.
 
Old Timer said:
It proves the point that when you look at countries with similar populations and weat her, Sweden has made a big mistake.
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Got to admit, it's strange when you see people praising Sweden's approach and using it as some sort of proof the lock down was the wrong way to go when they have failed miserably compared to every similar population country.
 
The Master said:
Got to admit, it's strange when you see people praising Sweden's approach and using it as some sort of proof the lock down was the wrong way to go when they have failed miserably compared to every similar population country.
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Well we can’t say that Sweden have failed miserably yet can we? Who knows how long this pandemic will last, it could still be early days. Lockdowns can’t go on forever. Sweden’s numbers may reduce as time goes on due to more of the population being exposed whilst other countries numbers rise. There’s no guarantee of a successful vaccine.
 
Andy_Roker1983 said:
Well we can’t say that Sweden have failed miserably yet can we? Who knows how long this pandemic will last, it could still be early days. Lockdowns can’t go on forever. Sweden’s numbers may reduce as time goes on due to more of the population being exposed whilst other countries numbers rise. There’s no guarantee of a successful vaccine.
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Using that logic you can't criticise any Governments handling of it until it's over.

Over what has happened so far, other similar countries deaths have been minuscule compared to Sweden.

At the start of pandemic we didn't have the treatment and knowledge of the virus that we do now, that's part of the reason why deaths are so much lower at this point. The lock down helped us delay the spread of the virus, now it's spreading again but we have access to far better treatment options (I'm not saying our approach has been good, we should've went into lock down 2 weeks earlier than we did). Sweden didn't do this so they didn't have the knowledge and treatment available that we do now, causing far more deaths than there needed to be.
 
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Sam Handwich said:
Some interesting reading on this thread 6 to 7 month or so on. Nobody predicting a 2nd or 3rd Lockdown and a lot predicting we had learned enough to control outbreaks. Clearly not. Hindsight and all that :confused:
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I didn’t think the government would butcher the economy even more mind but I was wrong, now the public want as slow an opening as possible as they fear another wave or lockdown, not acknowledging the impact millions of vaccinations will have.
 
Sam Handwich said:
Some interesting reading on this thread 6 to 7 month or so on. Nobody predicting a 2nd or 3rd Lockdown and a lot predicting we had learned enough to control outbreaks. Clearly not. Hindsight and all that :confused:
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We learned plenty.
But the government didn't apply any of it.

Like closing borders. What f***ing good is international trade if we have no domestic trade!
Mandatory 10 day quarantine should have been in place since the start.
Test and Trace should have been given to the NHS, just look how well they're arranging the vaccines as proof.

Tories learned nowt. The only thing they've got right is desperately buying every vaccine they can get their hands on. But they still haven't really learned anything of the zero-covid approach which we all know is the right way now.
 
DoctorMick said:
I agree, I think we’ll see localised spikes that get dealt with quickly. We should have sufficient capacity in the testing and track and trace systems to make sure it is kept under control.
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Worra dickhead. :lol:
PTR said:
We learned plenty.
But the government didn't apply any of it.

Like closing borders. What f***ing good is international trade if we have no domestic trade!
Mandatory 10 day quarantine should have been in place since the start.
Test and Trace should have been given to the NHS, just look how well they're arranging the vaccines as proof.

Tories learned nowt. The only thing they've got right is desperately buying every vaccine they can get their hands on. But they still haven't really learned anything of the zero-covid approach which we all know is the right way now.
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Wouldn’t we all starve if there was no international trade?
 
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