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Do Not Let Northumbria Police Control The Narrative

Doberman said:
Yep I know, I mentioned that at the beginning of the post.

There's two solutions here.

Force everyone to use buses.

Wade into them batons swinging to move them on.

Neither are great solutions.

Anyone that chooses the escort shouldn't be surprised when missiles are thrown.
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Yeah I agree with your general premise I guess but maybe having police disburse some of the waiting hoards or at least a presence within them to dissuade people chucking stuff
 

Doberman said:
I think the OP is slightly overdoing it. Thousands of rival fans in the same area are going to throw missiles and hurl insults and stopping short of wading it and smashing folk with batons and shields they cant really do owt other than contain and put distance between the crowds which they did for the most part. I didnt see anyone attacked that was in the escort. If you are going to refuse to use the escort and decide to make your own way then dont be blaming the police if youre outed and attacked.

It certainly wasnt a set up ffs.
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This.

I'm a 50 year old female soft shite. I wore my shirt, sang my head off in the escort and didn't feel unsafe.

Yes it could have been done better by dispersing the baying mobs at the side of the roads we walked on, yes they could have cleared the muppets off the top of the bus shelter, yes the route could have been better.

It's not worth a big campaign writing complaints though IMO.

If we make too much fuss about it, they might insist on a bubble trip. I'd hate that.
 
Becs said:
This.

I'm a 50 year old female soft shite. I wore my shirt, sang my head off in the escort and didn't feel unsafe.

Yes it could have been done better by dispersing the baying mobs at the side of the roads we walked on, yes they could have cleared the muppets off the top of the bus shelter, yes the route could have been better.

It's not worth a big campaign writing complaints though IMO.

If we make too much fuss about it, they might insist on a bubble trip. I'd hate that.
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Aye. Perspective needed despite there being clear policing/crowd-management deficiencies in places
 
Longy said:
I agree people seem to be getting very worked up about it. Lots of opinions of people who weren’t there, but have seen a couple of videos & want to get all offended.

Personally, my day passed extremely easily, where I did what I wanted & without any kind of violence. I want it to be the same next year. All these people wanting to highlight it makes it more likely more stringent arrangements are put it place in future. I don’t want or need an escort, I’m a big boy. Anybody who’s worried can jump on the buses & get dropped off at the turnstiles.

This. I’m not saying it’s ok or should be expected, but there’s a very simple way to take you out of the situation. All the pleading for more police protection could just bus it.
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They should have been dispersed, I'm not quite sure why they're allowed to line the routes like that, particularly as you get closer to the ground outside the Shark Bar. They should have been moved on.
 
Wakoro said:
Just finished watching BBC Look North and they are pushing the police narrative that there was minimal violence.

There was a clear failure to protect Sunderland fans, we were walked through a literal gauntlet of violent, drunken fans, who were holding weapons. They should have dispersed them or had police lining the entire route holding them back.

We need to speak to for ourselves and demand an inquiry into their failures, because next time everyone might not walk away.

Most of those throwing bottles and punches are on camera, so why are they not being arrested today?
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Tbf to the OB they bide their time with things like this nowadays

The knock on the door always comes when they are least expecting it

Most of those Scroats yesterday won’t have even gone to the game and the OB will know them as persistent offenders in several forms of crime
 
No one had to be in that escort . If you want to get to the ground on your own steam and avoid it , there’s ton of ways to do so . It’s a piece of piss to get the mag fans to our ground due to the logistics , it’s a different matter getting our fans from the Central Station .
Complain if you like but like Becs says , you’ll end up in a bubble trip which no one wants .
 
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Geppetto said:
They should have been dispersed, I'm not quite sure why they're allowed to line the routes like that, particularly as you get closer to the ground outside the Shark Bar. They should have been moved on.
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Next season the police need to find a way of stopping people congregating around the metro and the shark bar.
 
Watched loads of videos and at points near the sandman hotel there were one or two coppers when that was clearly the biggest choke point. You have the shark club sheeeeeeeerara and the stack all on the junction. They should’ve had a barrier and forced them further back like they did at our place. They barrier’d the whole road behind the east stand for when they made that walk. It kept them apart and required less police as by the time someone had jumped the barrier you’d have had two or three coppers on them. It’s always felt they get better protected and more things put in place.
 
Not like the OP to exaggerate and find something to twist about is it. Wonder how that online petition he started to stop the banging on the hoardings at the SOL is going?
 
Geppetto said:
They should have been dispersed, I'm not quite sure why they're allowed to line the routes like that, particularly as you get closer to the ground outside the Shark Bar. They should have been moved on.
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Think out of all the things that will have been learnt from yesterday, that’s the main one.

I know nowt about policing like, but I’m not sure how you disperse them. Move them back towards the ground?
 
Longy said:
Think out of all the things that will have been learnt from yesterday, that’s the main one.

I know nowt about policing like, but I’m not sure how you disperse them. Move them back towards the ground?
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The short answer is you can't. Unless you have more police officers and horses etc, which would mean a lot more cost. Plus moving people essentially by force just creates higher tensions. At the end of the day, if that many people have it in their minds that they are going to loiter around and cause havoc , then it's an impossible task for the police force. People's attitudes need to change. This is not the fault of Northumbria Police.
 
brains said:
The short answer is you can't. Unless you have more police officers and horses etc, which would mean a lot more cost. Plus moving people essentially by force just creates higher tensions. At the end of the day, if that many people have it in their minds that they are going to loiter around and cause havoc , then it's an impossible task for the police force. People's attitudes need to change. This is not the fault of Northumbria Police.
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You can do it in a light touch way by not letting folk congregate from early on and basically insisting people stay in the pubs rather than come running out when the escort is near.

Sadly, some will still act up but you shouldn’t have the numbers that were there yesterday.
 
Hank Scorpio said:
You can do it in a light touch way by not letting folk congregate from early on and basically insisting people stay in the pubs rather than come running out when the escort is near.

Sadly, some will still act up but you shouldn’t have the numbers that were there yesterday.
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Do you think that the mutants stood with bottles and cans took a blind but of notice of what any police officer was telling them? Cuts to police force budgets mean that they just can't deploy enough officers on the day to deal with the operation effectively. If you go back 15 years, they used to bring in officers from Yorkshire etc. A lot more dog handlers and a lot more officers mounted on horses were brought in from other forces. Both of these are equivalent to about 10 officers on foot in terms of crowd dispersal.

I don't know the figures for officers deployed yesterday compared to the derbies 15 years ago, but I'm certain it will be a lot less. Especially in terms of the specialist crowd control officers mentioned above.
 
brains said:
The short answer is you can't. Unless you have more police officers and horses etc, which would mean a lot more cost. Plus moving people essentially by force just creates higher tensions. At the end of the day, if that many people have it in their minds that they are going to loiter around and cause havoc , then it's an impossible task for the police force. People's attitudes need to change. This is not the fault of Northumbria Police.
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You stop them before they start congregating in as many numbers. I can't remember it being as busy on that side previously, but perhaps it has been I can't remember. I thought usually it's mainly the side closest to the ground that's swelled full of fans with a few outside the Shark Bar.

There were still cars using that road as well.
 
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