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Dave Whelan in more hot water

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My mother comes out with casual racism at times. It's at the point now that she says stuff just to wind me up. I appreciate you can maybe seem too precious about these things but it used to annoy/amuse me in equal measures when she'd tell me the coloured man on the bus she spoke to seemed a very nice person. Or that the black (she's learning) ladies with children in push chairs always seemed nicely dressed obviously not wanting for anything. The thing with 'Chinese' and 'pakis' is I don't think it's meant in an offensive way but would people be using it in front of a Chinese or Pakistani person? If you had associates at work from these countries would you tell them you had a nice Chinese etc? It used to annoy me but some people can't be educated and like I said, I can see that mostly it's not meant in a racist way.
 
soapster said:
the journalist had probably spoken to spoken somebody else who would state that DW used those words. So he would have been in bother anyway. People however take things way out of context. I can remember reading comics as a boy that refers to square heads, kraunts, slanty eyes. we also referred to Jocks, Paddy and Taff. Chinkys and Pakis were never ever a derogatory name. the world is going mad and the pc brigade needs to get a grip on reality.
I am more concerned about what is going on in the Ukraine and what utterly barbaric acts isis are responsible for.
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Paki has been a very derogatory word for years, at least since the 60's. I know people say that it's just short for Pakistani, but the word now has a lot of historical baggage and negative connotations.
 
ANonnyMoose said:
No its not racist you muppet. Is it offensive? Is it designed to cause harm or embarrassment? No, it is not. Its simply a nickname - and by the way, the latest one was a word he *used* to use many years ago. Fuck me, some of you are going to be shocked if you ever travel to Asia and listen to the names they have for whites over there! I get called Ang Moh ("red haired") almost every single day here in Singapore. Its really not an issue.

People have got to stop this over-reaction with race, nationality, whatever. We are different and we should celebrate these differences. As long as people are being treated equally, there really is no issue here at all.

The problem with Whelan was his Jewish comments.
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Cheers Ginge.
 
The power of the SMB. Informative, balanced and educational as ever.
Just to show that the older generation can adapt and embrace this age of political correctness in which we find ourselves, I'd like to let it be known:

If we beat the bin dippers, I'm taking the nagger out for a Bangladeshi.
 
HoffTTM said:
You never ordered a Chinese like?
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Of course we have, but the press want their pound of flesh.

I'm from a mixed race family and I've never been offended by the casual racism that we often hear from older people. My wife's grandad often came out with some belters but I just used to smile.
 
Always surprises me how many racists are allowed to freely post on here....
 
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"Asked by the Jewish Telegraph whether he himself had ever used the term, he replied: "When I was growing up we used to call the Chinese [restaurant] 'chingalings'.
"We weren't being disrespectful. We used to say: 'We're going to eat in 'chingalings'."

He was quoted as calling Chinese people "chinks" last month too.
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Dave Whelan grew up in a different era to you, mate. He was imprinted with an entirely different value system. Is it your value system? Of course not. You cannot compare the past with present. Apples and oranges and all that. He grew up in a time when teachers hit pupils with large pieces of wood and neebody gave a fuck. Parents went hungry and sent their kids outside with bare feet.

I'm not excusing his use of language but I'm trying to explain it. What the PC Police don't get is that the entirely worthy values of 2014 are just that; the values of today and not yesteryear. :)
 
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"Asked by the Jewish Telegraph whether he himself had ever used the term, he replied: "When I was growing up we used to call the Chinese [restaurant] 'chingalings'.
"We weren't being disrespectful. We used to say: 'We're going to eat in 'chingalings'."

He was quoted as calling Chinese people "chinks" last month too.
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your point is ?
 
Daks said:
I say chinkie , paki , sausage roll , gypo etc

Just figures of speech

Nothing wrong with it
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Speaking as someone who had that word shouted at me many times over the years I can assure you there's plenty f***ing wrong with it.

Thankfully it doesn't happen as much nowadays, although with dinosaurs like yourself still kicking about there's always a chance :neutral:
 
I've never said 'Chinese' until I went round my mate's house and his parents asked if i wanted anything from the Chinese - I thought they were kidding and trying to see how I'd react; they weren't.

The only time i've ever used that word has been to close friends who've heard the story and were equally as shocked, so we say it ironically if we're ordering a takeaway.
 
Sebasaurus II said:
I've never said 'Chinese' until I went round my mate's house and his parents asked if i wanted anything from the Chinese - I thought they were kidding and trying to see how I'd react; they weren't.

The only time i've ever used that word has been to close friends who've heard the story and were equally as shocked, so we say it ironically if we're ordering a takeaway.
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You sound like a real hoot.
 
Lord Alfred said:
I took an old lady home to Hetton recently (in the course of my work before anyone asks) and she referred to the local corner shop as "the blackies"......
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me mam still uses that term
i say to her you're not supposed to say that man mam
but she'll not change
 
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