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Dan Neil

JUst basing my opinion on the facts that have happened. Neil being our captain at such a young age. Being a better option than chris rigg right now. He's ewrned the right to have a chance. The club disagree. I think its bad crack from the club. Just my logic. Fair enough if you think he hasnt earned the right to have a chance. We'll disagree
I haven't said he hasn't earned the right.

The manager has also earned the right to select what players he wants to play and Neil has been in talks about a new contract since the start of last season. They are also facts.

You keep talking about 'the club' and the contract dispute but maybe the manager just doesn't think hes good enough to play.
 

JUst basing my opinion on the facts that have happened. Neil being our captain at such a young age. Being a better option than chris rigg right now. He's ewrned the right to have a chance. The club disagree. I think its bad crack from the club. Just my logic. Fair enough if you think he hasnt earned the right to have a chance. We'll disagree
Do you know what fact means?
 
I think, as someone alluded to earlier, it is not a matter of "...the club doesn't even want to check its assumption at times this season ...". Rather, it has been the case that the club (Le Bris) has not felt able to test whether Neil's level of ability is sufficient for the Premier League. As an earlier poster has said, many games have been competitive right up until the final minute and Le Bris has concluded that he needed the men he feels most confident to deliver on the field. with little chance to speculate on Neil adapting to the level.

I like Dan Neil and believe that he will have a very successful career, but his style of play doesn't fit with how Le Bris wants the team to play.

Who would you drop (or take off mid-game) to accommodate Neil ? Xhaka has become 'undroppable'. Sadiki is not far behind Xhaka in this regard, Le Fee is an entirely different type of midfield player. Diarra, when he returns, is also likely to be a different type and a better player. As a replacement, Geertruida offers better ability, more top level experience and greater adaptability. Rigg, hmmm. It will be interesting to see how the future unfolds. He appears to me to be too lightweight for the rigours of the Premier League, but he clearly has ability.

Neil appears to have concluded that his best option is to sit out his contract and move on in the summer, letting his agent negotiate a hefty signing on fee, in lieu of any transfer fee being incurred, and an improved remuneration package. And good luck to the lad in so doing. He owes the club nothing, having repaid it for the chance he was given, by his on-field contributions in previous seasons. Loyalty means nothing when you are endeavouring to optimise your earnings during a relatively short career.
The bit you omitted to mention is that Le Bris watches him every single day in training.
If he was showing any semblance of potential to hold his own he WOULD be getting minutes, even if that were from the bench.
The fact he isn't simply demonstrates that he's not even close to the standard now required.
That's not me saying that, that's our club.
 
JUst basing my opinion on the facts that have happened. Neil being our captain at such a young age. Being a better option than chris rigg right now. He's ewrned the right to have a chance. The club disagree. I think its bad crack from the club. Just my logic. Fair enough if you think he hasnt earned the right to have a chance. We'll disagree
Clearly not or RLB would select him.
 
JUst basing my opinion on the facts that have happened. Neil being our captain at such a young age. Being a better option than chris rigg right now. He's ewrned the right to have a chance. The club disagree. I think its bad crack from the club. Just my logic. Fair enough if you think he hasnt earned the right to have a chance. We'll disagree
Yes, but he has clearly turned a contract down. We don't know how much he was offered but we don't come across as skinflints now. If he does move to Rangers it's likely that he's been talking to them for a while. You compare him to Rigg but Rigg is committed to the club and Neil's not. When he does leave it will be Neil's choice not the clubs as they have offered him a deal. How the club are at fault is beyond me.
 
The bit you omitted to mention is that Le Bris watches him every single day in training.
If he was showing any semblance of potential to hold his own he WOULD be getting minutes, even if that were from the bench.
The fact he isn't simply demonstrates that he's not even close to the standard now required.
That's not me saying that, that's our club.
Exactly this.
 
The bit you omitted to mention is that Le Bris watches him every single day in training.
If he was showing any semblance of potential to hold his own he WOULD be getting minutes, even if that were from the bench.
The fact he isn't simply demonstrates that he's not even close to the standard now required.
That's not me saying that, that's our club.
I agree. At the moment, Neil gets on the bench because the other available midfield options are even less appealing to Le Bris. Which is why it was disappointing to lose out on Guendouzi, who is good enough to put up genuine competition.
 
Be sad to see him go. He's a homegrown lad who has captained this football club into if not in the Premier League. I've always rated Dan but the facts are, he hasn't signed a new contract as Rigg did and RLB sees him hour, every day and every week in training and doesn't seem to want to give him extended minutes.

Like I said, it'll be sad to see him go and we should thank him for his service but Premier League football is a cut throat business and he'll no doubt be handsomely rewarded wherever he ends up. Will always be welcomed back.
 
Yes, but he has clearly turned a contract down. We don't know how much he was offered but we don't come across as skinflints now. If he does move to Rangers it's likely that he's been talking to them for a while. You compare him to Rigg but Rigg is committed to the club and Neil's not. When he does leave it will be Neil's choice not the clubs as they have offered him a deal. How the club are at fault is beyond me.
Every player is committed... as long as the money is right 😉
 
Yes, but he has clearly turned a contract down. We don't know how much he was offered but we don't come across as skinflints now. If he does move to Rangers it's likely that he's been talking to them for a while. You compare him to Rigg but Rigg is committed to the club and Neil's not. When he does leave it will be Neil's choice not the clubs as they have offered him a deal. How the club are at fault is beyond me.
Agree we don’t come across the club that will look to take the piss I don’t feel. His agent has obviously advised him to keep his powder dry which would’ve been ok had we not got promoted and accelerated past his level. If the club and manager thought he was good enough now I have no doubt he’d have a deal signed by now. It’s just one of those things he turned down a new deal that will have had a nice in case of promotion wage boost and he’s fell down the pecking order. Shame but I think he’s away either this window or a free in the summer.
 
I don’t mind the manager not picking him

I’m just annoyed at supposed Sunderland fans slagging off and calling him shite for absolutely no reason

Those lads from lesgue one to prem are utter legends
Agree we don’t come across the club that will look to take the piss I don’t feel. His agent has obviously advised him to keep his powder dry which would’ve been ok had we not got promoted and accelerated past his level. If the club and manager thought he was good enough now I have no doubt he’d have a deal signed by now. It’s just one of those things he turned down a new deal that will have had a nice in case of promotion wage boost and he’s fell down the pecking order. Shame but I think he’s away either this window or a free in the summer.

We don’t wanna keep him like. He wouldn’t have played regardless.
 
Be sad to see him go. He's a homegrown lad who has captained this football club into if not in the Premier League. I've always rated Dan but the facts are, he hasn't signed a new contract as Rigg did and RLB sees him hour, every day and every week in training and doesn't seem to want to give him extended minutes.

Like I said, it'll be sad to see him go and we should thank him for his service but Premier League football is a cut throat business and he'll no doubt be handsomely rewarded wherever he ends up. Will always be welcomed back.
Absolutely sums up my feelings on this too.
Hope that doesn't come across as snidey and spiteful @Alan Partridge.
You also need to temper your language young man.
 
If he is off then he needs replacing with a squad member that not only will compete for a place but also ticks the home grown rules.

Its great being linked with all these foreign players, but at some point we have to look at home grown players
 
I don’t mind the manager not picking him

I’m just annoyed at supposed Sunderland fans slagging off and calling him shite for absolutely no reason

Those lads from lesgue one to prem are utter legends


We don’t wanna keep him like. He wouldn’t have played regardless.

You're all over the place here and just using it as an opportunity to attack people for the sake of attacking people because they don't agree with you.

Someone can't be; good and the club don't want them plus committed to the club and won't sign a contract.

These are literal polar opposites.
 
That fans have short memories. The lad was an important part of our rise. Cost zero and added quality to our midfield. Also he's better right now than chris rigg. No way does rigg merit game time in prem yet Neil hasbt had a sniff. I think club has treated him badly
They haven’t, though.

He’s getting paid handsomely. Better than any of us on this forum. Part of a PL first team squad. Hadn’t been thrown aside and made to train with the kids and banished.

Rigg is also paying on the right, so if it’s a choice between the two for that position, then it’s Rigg all day (although I don’t think he’s good enough to be playing for us right now anyway).
 
Dan Neil is our savior to the season, ffs! :rolleyes:

:lol:


I have nothing against Dan Neil other than the threads about him on here… the ones crying about Dan Neil are the same ones who swore by Lee Cattermole all the way down to League 1. I don’t take their opinions seriously when it comes to players!!
 
You're all over the place here and just using it as an opportunity to attack people for the sake of attacking people because they don't agree with you.

Someone can't be; good and the club don't want them plus committed to the club and won't sign a contract.

These are literal polar opposites.

wtf does this even mean :lol:

Keep slagging off your promotion winning captain for absolutely no reason if that’s what you get kicks out of.

Embarrassing
Should never have been appointed captain - not dynamic enough on or off the pitch.
Nobody is 'shooting down' anyone. It's a judgement based on evidence throughout several seasons and obvious weaknesses he has that cannot be corrected to enable consistent top flight performance.
His place is birth is utterly irrelevant.

:lol: :lol:
Dan Neil is our savior to the season, ffs! :rolleyes:

:lol:


I have nothing against Dan Neil other than the threads about him on here… the ones crying about Dan Neil are the same ones who swore by Lee Cattermole all the way down to League 1. I don’t take their opinions seriously when it comes to players!!

Nobody said that. Just no need to slag off him. Just a really really weird post this like. Very strange behavioir
 
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wtf does this even mean :lol:

Keep slagging off your promotion winning captain for absolutely no reason if that’s what you get kicks out of.

Embarrassing


:lol: :lol:


Nobody said that. Just no need to slag off him. Just a really really weird post this like. Very strange behavioir
I didn’t quote you muffin… I was just stating my opinion on the whole Dan Neil/threads on here scenario
 
He was injured...
Ballard was injured some of the time. Even when he wasn't O9 played ahead of him - O9 was the constant. And Mepham was preferred to Ballard more often than not. And don't forget Alese started every game until he was injured early doors. But Ballard is not the issue of the thread.
 
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