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Champions Trophy 2025

Voice of fair play said:
Well there is only one thing to do about it, have one major franchise competition like ever other single country does so they not running concurrently??

All that will mean of course is that our best players ( like other countries do) will not play in it as too many franchise and international cricket played nowadays.
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And deprive whole swathes of the country from attending cricket at the height of summer?
Yeh,other countries do it.:cry:
 

Voice of fair play said:
Just like Top Indian white ball cricketers will have been cajoled to be playing in the IPL, top South African players in the SA20 and top Aussies in the Big Bash etc etc.

It is a problem granted that top international cricketers play too much T20 as opposed to 50 over cricket.

But this problem is not solely down to the ECB it really isn’t.

Reading some posts on here you would think we doing badly because other countries really value their domestic 50 over competition and we don’t, when imo that not the case.

South Africa even did not send there best players to a test series to get their short format competition of the ground.
The SA 20 first year
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I do largely agree with you but other nations make it work at the moment - India, SA, NZ, Australia, we are shoehorning our 50 over competition alongside the 16.4 so it has effectively become a second XI competition. I don't think Jamie Smith had played a 50 over game since 2021 yet we thought he could bat 3 in an ICC tournament?
 
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The Breen Machine said:
I do largely agree with you but other nations make it work at the moment - India, SA, NZ, Australia, we are shoehorning our 50 over competition alongside the 16.4 so it has effectively become a second XI competition. I don't think Jamie Smith had played a 50 over game since 2021 yet we thought he could bat 3 in an ICC tournament?
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Yeah some fair points mate, as I have said we in this country have got ourselves in a right mess, where others have just one main short format competition we have two!

Thus what has happened, as I said if we had just one like other countries there would not be a need to shoehorn it in like you say.

Ironically though in the two games in this competition where have not be undone by lack of 50 over experience so to speak.

We have brought Root back in and played more traditional cricket.

It has been at the back end of them games in the death overs where we have been lacking, when we should have been a lot better due to T20 experience.

Our bowlers wrong choices no variation too much pace and not enough guile and terrible in death overs that cost us imo.
 
consettsafc said:
Simon Davis running through Lancashire at Chester-le=Street was a joy to behold, but that was probably the 90s
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1983. I was working in CLS at the time and my understanding boss gave me an extended dinner break and I watched it over the wall next to the car park. Flat Jack fettled us when we batted mind.
Voice of fair play said:
I thought Fothergill was keeper ahead of Mercer but could be wrong, what a bowler Stuart Wilkinson was
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Mercer was keeping wicket in the late 70s when I used to watch as a young un. Im sure Tommy Harland kept wicket once when Durham were playing at Ropery Lane. Fothergill was mid 80s onwards.
 
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Turner the Cat said:
It isnt our only problem but I completely agree with this

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Me too. He's a prick but he's not wrong here.

Bowl fast, hit far can only get you so far in ODI's.

Oh for a Trescothick or a Thorpe in this team. Hell, I'd take a Neil Fairbrother at this stage. People who value their wicket, rotate the strike and put the foot down when needed.

Not saying big hitters aren't needed, not at all. Root was desperate for someone to stay with him the other day, not to win the game themselves.

Our death bowling has been shite for a while. Where has the yorkers gone? Not just us, but no one bowls them much anymore. Another victim to T20 I guess.
 
Nasser Butt-Head said:
Me too. He's a prick but he's not wrong here.

Bowl fast, hit far can only get you so far in ODI's.

Oh for a Trescothick or a Thorpe in this team. Hell, I'd take a Neil Fairbrother at this stage. People who value their wicket, rotate the strike and put the foot down when needed.

Not saying big hitters aren't needed, not at all. Root was desperate for someone to stay with him the other day, not to win the game themselves.

Our death bowling has been shite for a while. Where has the yorkers gone? Not just us, but no one bowls them much anymore. Another victim to T20 I guess.
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Our death bowling as bad as I can ever remember.

There has been a lot of talk about poor captaincy and wrong choices by batsman ( rightly soo) but our death bowling really really bad and imo the worst part of this team and way behind other teams.

And undoubtedly the main reason we lost yesterday.

Totally agree over reliance on pace rather than accuracy has been the wrong thing to do
 
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Iamme said:
50/50 has not been devalued.


The players have devalued it by opting to earn a 100 contract instead of playing for their counties.

We I take it you mean the ECB???


England Players can play for their counties in 50/50 domestic cup.

They choose not to not the ECB.
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Well, professional cricketers, being professional cricketers, aren’t going to want to play for someone who pays them less over someone who pays them more anyway (would you?), so it’s academic, but it’s not true to say it’s up to them either. Players with central contract only get to play for whoever the ECB says they can play for.
Parkside said:
And deprive whole swathes of the country from attending cricket at the height of summer?
Yeh,other countries do it.:cry:
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Is this an appropriate time to make the point that 2/3 of the counties of England and Wales are deprived of cricket for the entire summer so we should be honest that we don’t object to a limited number of teams, we only object to a limited number that excludes us.
 
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Fleagle said:
Well, professional cricketers, being professional cricketers, aren’t going to want to play for someone who pays them less over someone who pays them more anyway (would you?), so it’s academic, but it’s not true to say it’s up to them either. Players with central contract only get to play for whoever the ECB says they can play for.

Is this an appropriate time to make the point that 2/3 of the counties of England and Wales are deprived of cricket for the entire summer so we should be honest that we don’t object to a limited number of teams, we only object to a limited number that excludes us.
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Obscene salaries awarded in IPL can't be sustainable outside India and restricting venues can't be sustainable in the long run and can't be good for the long term prospects of the game. Franchise cricket will slowly kill the game.
Parkside said:
Obscene salaries awarded in IPL can't be sustainable outside India and restricting venues can't be sustainable in the long run and can't be good for the long term prospects of the game. Franchise cricket will slowly kill the game.
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I have no interest suBurban having a team.
 
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