CC :: Worcestershire v Durham

[rentaghost]

Yeah there as been a bit of a collapse so could still happen but for 90% of the game it has looked a draw despite only 361 and 315 scored in the first innings looks more than likely only 3 innings will happen.

It’s too negative for me just not enough looking for wins for my personal liking in general in modern day cricket it’s more make sure we don’t lose.

Like I said in earlier post the 3 openers who scored runs in the first innings took 756 balls to score 332 runs think that to much of a negative way to go about things and will result in more draws than wins that kind of rate.

What we are seeing is Parkinson bowling great leg spin you wouldn’t have seen that last year. You are seeing Matty Potts getting 6 wickets 3 times on flat pitches and getting good players out when we’ll set. These are the qualities England need although i accept there will be some less exciting cricket.

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

Real problems with the bowling.

Two games now where we’ve taken a combined 3 wickets in the entirety of the last day of play.

It’s not just that we didn’t take any wickets, we didn’t really look remotely like taking any wickets.

Interesting quite a few of the counties who are winning matches have a spinner who is getting "set" top order batsmen out.
Not sure it would have made much difference but very disappointed Trevaskis didn't get a long spell today. If they don't fancy him to bowl under the circumstances today then when is he unless it's a Bunsen.

 

[Bri]

After all the debates about follow ons, I can't remember one that would have made a difference this season.

 

[Parkside]

I don't think any of the 4th innings targets we've set have been in any way unreasonable yet none have taken up the challenge. You need both teams to have positive intent to create interesting cricket. Particularly disappointed in Worcs today - they'd seen us score 170 in 20 overs against the new ball.

 

[The Red Telephone]

Middlesex looking like they're going to chase down 370 to beat Sussex and go top.

 

[Voice of fair play]

What we are seeing is Parkinson bowling great leg spin you wouldn’t have seen that last year. You are seeing Matty Potts getting 6 wickets 3 times on flat pitches and getting good players out when we’ll set. These are the qualities England need although i accept there will be some less exciting cricket.

Yeah that’s fantastic especially for Parkinson as England desperate for wicket taking spinner, yeah there is always positives and negatives.

And Potts looks very good.

My point still remains though that when good scores are been made and judgement calls have to made on declarations or possible run chases sides and captains first thoughts seem to be imo make sure we don’t lose rather than even the slightest of risk to actual win a game.

Of course easy for me to say that!

I don't think any of the 4th innings targets we've set have been in any way unreasonable yet none have taken up the challenge. You need both teams to have positive intent to create interesting cricket. Particularly disappointed in Worcs today - they'd seen us score 170 in 20 overs against the new ball.

You do and I personally don’t think you see that intent from two sides enough.

 

[rentaghost]

Yeah that’s fantastic especially for Parkinson as England desperate for wicket taking spinner, yeah there is always positives and negatives.

And Potts looks very good.

My point still remains though that when good scores are been made and judgement calls have to made on declarations or possible run chases sides and captains first thoughts seem to be imo make sure we don’t lose rather than even the slightest of risk to actual win a game.

Of course easy for me to say that!

Take a look at Sussex v Middx. Middx about to knock off 360 for 3 after Sussex declared. Of course you won’t mind that but the coach who gets sacked might

 

[Voice of fair play]

Take a look at Sussex v Middx. Middx about to knock off 360 for 3 after Sussex declared. Of course you won’t mind that but the coach who gets sacked might

Well that’s it I would not be having a go at the captain, because how many times does that happen when chasing that much.

5/10% of times!

Would rather lose the odd game in say 20 taking that approach than constant safety first.

That’s always been my outlook

 

[brandon]

Interesting quite a few of the counties who are winning matches have a spinner who is getting "set" top order batsmen out.
Not sure it would have made much difference but very disappointed Trevaskis didn't get a long spell today. If they don't fancy him to bowl under the circumstances today then when is he unless it's a Bunsen.

He bowled quite nicely from what I saw, but then there was absolutely zero turn. Or whatever turn there was didn’t seem very apparent on the stream - which for me is very bad from a pitch preparation point of view.

If the ECB want flat decks, fair enough, but it’s quite possible that we could’ve played for another day and still been nowhere near a result and that isn’t good for cricket. I get the rationale behind wanting to develop players who can be useful when conditions aren’t in their favour but unfortunately I think what we’ve seen up to now has gone too far the other way.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

If the ECB want flat decks, fair enough, but it’s quite possible that we could’ve played for another day and still been nowhere near a result and that isn’t good for cricket. I get the rationale behind wanting to develop players who can be useful when conditions aren’t in their favour but unfortunately I think what we’ve seen up to now has gone too far the other way.

This.

 

[mikemanc]

He bowled quite nicely from what I saw, but then there was absolutely zero turn. Or whatever turn there was didn’t seem very apparent on the stream - which for me is very bad from a pitch preparation point of view.

If the ECB want flat decks, fair enough, but it’s quite possible that we could’ve played for another day and still been nowhere near a result and that isn’t good for cricket. I get the rationale behind wanting to develop players who can be useful when conditions aren’t in their favour but unfortunately I think what we’ve seen up to now has gone too far the other way.

Problem is if you make the wickets harder to take wickets it takes time to work it out and develop the skills otherwise England would never have a problem overseas or they'd pick it up after a few warm ups (I know they're a joke these days)

 

[The Rat]

People going over the top about the bowling like, look around the country

we are the norm not the exception

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

He bowled quite nicely from what I saw, but then there was absolutely zero turn. Or whatever turn there was didn’t seem very apparent on the stream - which for me is very bad from a pitch preparation point of view.

If the ECB want flat decks, fair enough, but it’s quite possible that we could’ve played for another day and still been nowhere near a result and that isn’t good for cricket. I get the rationale behind wanting to develop players who can be useful when conditions aren’t in their favour but unfortunately I think what we’ve seen up to now has gone too far the other way.

True a dead pitch is as bad for cricket as a green top or a Bunsen on day 1 (Gloucestershire last season) but there are counties winning matches this season as well.
I think this very dry but not particularly warm spring has deadened the pitches as well.
It's tough to knock Durham as a club as they have two pace bowlers in England's first choice pace attack and probably two more on the selectors radar. That is some going for one county out if 18.
This is not hindsight and I was banging on about it on here last season when Trevaskis wasn't even being selected the lack of any attempt to develop a slow bowler has been disappointing. He should have been playing on the potential he had shown in the one day format.

 

[brandon]

Problem is if you make the wickets harder to take wickets it takes time to work it out and develop the skills otherwise England would never have a problem overseas or they'd pick it up after a few warm ups (I know they're a joke these days)

I agree with your sentiment, but consider that in 4 full days of cricket here - only 20 wickets fell. Let that sink in.

 

[mikemanc]

I agree with your sentiment, but consider that in 4 full days of cricket here - only 20 wickets fell. Let that sink in.

I get that but if we had Wood and Carse available do you think that would have been the case? That's the calibre of player we're trying to develop. I get there's a balance, I just don't think you can make pitches harder and expect to go from games finishing in 2.5 days to games finish with an hour left on day 4 in the space of 3/4 games.

 

[brandon]

I get that but if we had Wood and Carse available do you think that would have been the case? That's the calibre of player we're trying to develop. I get there's a balance, I just don't think you can make pitches harder and expect to go from games finishing in 2.5 days to games finish with an hour left on day 4 in the space of 3/4 games.

We never have Wood available. I take your point with Carse, but one bowler isn’t going to transform us into a side who can take 20 wickets a game, from the current one who is struggling to take more than 2 on a final day.

 

[Twisted]

If the ECB want flat decks, fair enough, but it’s quite possible that we could’ve played for another day and still been nowhere near a result and that isn’t good for cricket. I get the rationale behind wanting to develop players who can be useful when conditions aren’t in their favour but unfortunately I think what we’ve seen up to now has gone too far the other way.

But I think the point is those players won't develop unless put in those situations. Up to now we've never needed spinners, express pace, even stuff like bounce and variety, rushy (more or less on his own) has been enough to be competitive.

People complain like fuck about Darren Stevens being an opening bowler and how embarrassing that is for county cricket, now pitches are pushing for strike bowlers to have more about them and people are complaining again. Can't have it both ways

 

[Parkside]

But I think the point is those players won't develop unless put in those situations. Up to now we've never needed spinners, express pace, even stuff like bounce and variety, rushy (more or less on his own) has been enough to be competitive.

People complain like fuck about Darren Stevens being an opening bowler and how embarrassing that is for county cricket, now pitches are pushing for strike bowlers to have more about them and people are complaining again. Can't have it both ways

No, you need a sensible compromise but I'm no groundsman so don't know how you achieve that.

 

[The Rat]

I can see why people think its gone too far, maybe it has, but we have had a very dry spring and maybe its the ball

But I dont mind th change and players will learn from it and get better

 

[Parkside]

I can see why people think its gone too far, maybe it has, but we have had a very dry spring and maybe its the ball

But I dont mind th change and players will learn from it and get better

Agree. I could see the rationale behind the reduced seam, but together with a very dry Spring means pitches also without any moisture. Rain forecast next week,let's see if that produces a more even contest.