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Boycott Qatar


There may be a head of steam from some countries to ramp up rituals like the taking of the knee , and steer towards political gestures which highlight the plight of the Qatari citizens and the economic migrants which toiled to make the tournament a reality. Other statement gestures like rainbow laces etc. will take on weight when the Qatari's will be looking to satellite the tournament around the country.
 
The way we're playing at the moment, I'm losing interest in football. Keep it up like this and World Cup will just be another thing on the TV
 
Billericay Dichio said:
If the WC is allocated on merit we won't be any where near it. We've just had a major tournament in case you didn't notice. We couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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No we didn’t. That tournament was in Europe as whole. We only had the final. The last tournament we hosted was 96, and the last tournament before that was 66.

There are countries that have hosted the World Cup twice since we hosted it.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
The thing for me though is that choosing not to watch it doesn't really oppose it at all. It won't affect the viewing figures, no one will know about it, the only thing it does is make me miss one of the few world cups in my lifetime. If you were going to go to Qatar, spend a load of money there etc, then you're actively supporting it, that's different. Sitting in the house watching or not watching a match does nowt though. What should have happened was an organised boycott / pressure on the sponsors. Make it toxic, make them pull out, criticise the TV channels that are going to show it. Make it so negatively perceived that sponsors would be saying "next time have it somewhere we aren't going to get a load of shit and lost sales for our money". That might have been slightly effective.

Like I say, fair play to anyone who is so opposed that they genuinely can't bear to even watch it on TV, but I don't really see it as any sort of a protest. Far as I'm concerned I won't go to the tournament, I won't buy any world cup Qatar merchandise, that's as far as I'd go, not giving them a penny of my money. I'll still watch on TV
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I detest the thought of encouraging the success of the world cup in Qatar. so i will avoid doing so. How? That is my business and involves my conscience and my morality beliefs.

Those who wish to make a mark (I include myself) need to . . .

Publish the facts around the appalling and continuing deaths in Qatar.
Publish the list of (mostly) global sponsors who have contributed to this blood bath.
Comment publicly and loudly on the financial activities of the World Cup as a project and its ludicrous choice of Qatar.

We discuss this, but will make little or no impact anywhere else without taking it up publicly.
 
Lucky1985 said:
To be honest, I think this would be the ideal situation. All the big boys pull out of FIFA and set up their own organisation away from the corruption. All the other nations can follow and join and before you know it the World Cup is allocated out on merit and we finally get to host a tournament again.
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We're hosting the Women's Euro 2022 next year I believe. I'm guessing FIFA or UEFA are ok with that. Maybe it's a separate organisation. I'm not actually sure.
 
Visiting owl said:
Your implying that some insignificant bloke living in Europe watching the world cup should feel guilty about it..

Absolutely ridiculous.
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People will feel how they feel mate. I'm not implying people should feel anything

But in most instances if someone died in order to make something happen, that would be openly discussed, acknowledged and their death commemorated. In this instance its thousands of people, and none of them will he honoured and it will be hushed up at the time. Those are the facts and that's what you're putting aside if you watch it. It's up to you whether it bothers you or not but people have every right to point out the costs of the tournament in human life.

There was a boycott of sport in SA and Zimbabwe because people were being abused and dying in those countries , both lasted for ages, most people agreed it was correct.
 
sonson said:
People will feel how they feel mate. I'm not implying people should feel anything

But in most instances if someone died in order to make something happen, that would be openly discussed, acknowledged and their death commemorated. In this instance its thousands of people, and none of them will he honoured and it will be hushed up at the time. Those are the facts and that's what you're putting aside if you watch it. It's up to you whether it bothers you or not but people have every right to point out the costs of the tournament in human life.

There was a boycott of sport in SA and Zimbabwe because people were being abused and dying in those countries , both lasted for ages, most people agreed it was correct.
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Fair and polite reply.
 
sonson said:
That's my entire post though. It's not about "opposing" it. It's about not sanctioning things which are immoral.

Which, if you're watching it, you are. You're saying at the end of the day as long as the football gets shown, at whatever the cost, its not changing your habits.

No it's not going to change anything in the bigger picture on it's own . But most things that have changed the world for the better began not as an attempt to change everything or even anything, but just people saying no to things which were immoral.

If someone will watch football knowing that thousands of people died in order to host it, thats their perogative and its on their conscience. But thats literally what they will be doing.
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Fair post, I'm just not sure I'd say I'm sanctioning something if I watch it, no one will know I watched it and I won't be giving them any money. My main thing is, I wish they'd stop giving events to places like this until they clean up their act. Like I say if there was a mass boycott of sponsors that I could join it might put pressure on them. Me watching or not watching on my tele in Sunderland will do absolutely nothing. So I do get your point, maybe in some small way I'm accepting it if I watch it but it would seem utterly pointless not to watch it since it only punishes me and the "powers that be" will never know if I watched or not. If I'm one of the 5000 households selected to have my viewing monitored to produce the national viewing figures maybe I'll revisit my decision as me not watching it would knock thousands off the viewing figures and send a bit of a message. Otherwise I'll be happy that I'm not giving them any money and I'll watch the tournament. Like I say though I do respect your stance on it, I don't think I'm a bad lad but maybe you're more principled
 
Hugh Gains said:
Yes let’s boycott a tournament whilst buying clobber from Primark produced in sweat shops, buying cheap electronics assembled in China and eating fruit harvested by kids.

I’m not saying it’s right buts the way of the world and shows a blanket naivety from the hypocrites who latch onto it.
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You can’t fight every battle (don’t shop in Primark by the way) and you can’t know the details of every product, but when there is lots of information in front of you, you can easily make a choice.

Though I also doubt if Primark got their latest store through obvious corruption. Primark does not openly discriminate against same sex couples and women. There is more than the single issue with the world cup next time round.
 
DaveH said:
You can’t fight every battle (don’t shop in Primark by the way) and you can’t know the details of every product, but when there is lots of information in front of you, you can easily make a choice.

Though I also doubt if Primark got their latest store through obvious corruption. Primark does not openly discriminate against same sex couples and women. There is more than the single issue with the world cup next time round.
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Russia has many dubious issues, did folk boycott that 3 years ago?

I hardly think that folk stating they are going to boycott Qatar were playing connect four whilst we were playing Croatia.
 
Visiting owl said:
Russia has many dubious issues, did folk boycott that 3 years ago?

I hardly think that folk stating they are going to boycott Qatar were playing connect four whilst we were playing Croatia.
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So because people didn’t decide before they can never decide again? You make a decision and that is it for life?

On a personal level, I can’t remember how much of the Russian world cup I did watch. I remember a spell of England being painfully dull to watch, and as someone described, were like the international Stoke City. I can’t remember if that was the world cup or not. I can remember Sunderland games going back 30 years, but I honestly can’t remember England v Croatia in the world cup. A bit worrying really.
 
70YearsOfHurt said:
I detest the thought of encouraging the success of the world cup in Qatar. so i will avoid doing so. How? That is my business and involves my conscience and my morality beliefs.

Those who wish to make a mark (I include myself) need to . . .

Publish the facts around the appalling and continuing deaths in Qatar.
Publish the list of (mostly) global sponsors who have contributed to this blood bath.
Comment publicly and loudly on the financial activities of the World Cup as a project and its ludicrous choice of Qatar.

We discuss this, but will make little or no impact anywhere else without taking it up publicly.
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This to me seems a strategy that is far more likely to be successful than and passively not participating from the silent of your front room.

If you want to stop the FIFA corruption then hit them in their wallet. Make sure the sponsors affiliation with the World Cup is also affiliated with the deaths it caused. Make sure people know these companies have paid money to FIFA to be a part of those deaths. Stop giving any money to the companies that chose to sponsor the event and make sure other people know why so they they can join in. Smear the sponsors and companies will think twice about sponsorship in the future. Nobody wants to be affiliated with slave Labour even those like Nike who actively participate in it. Nobody will want to pay to be affiliated with a crime they have not committed.

That to me seems like a much more successful strategy than moping about on the couch watching Coronation Street instead of the football.
 
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