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Boycott Qatar

We'll still be in league 1, with less than 3 international call ups...so it's going to be watching our scores come in, then switch over to watch England.
 

robbied1 said:
Does that mean we can cancel matches?
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No... the leagues are only cancelled during the winter World Cup for prem and championship...
The thinking is that league 1 and 2 won't have any call ups so no need to pause the respective leagues.

Sunderland will be playing at the same time next year as the world Cup...unless we are promted...lol.
 
oddbod said:
Whilst the politics in Qatar and China are questionable I prefer to keep it out of the game. My dislike of the Qatar decision is down to the corrupt process and the individuals involved.it was supposed to be a fair competition between nominated countries............ Qatar was clearly not the best choice and the fact that they won with a summer bid and fifa had to change it to winter supports this. Do comparing Beijing with Qatar is false as Beijing were eminimrntly able to put on the Olympics and Qatar CV could only do tho with maximum disruption and apost hoc reamajoning of their bid.
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Fair enough, point well made.
 
Old Money said:
This is the same ambivalence that has enabled KSA to take over a football club
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Keawyeds said:
It would require countries teams to boycott it to really affect Qatar in any way.
I can't see that happening sadly. Or if they do, it probably won't be any of the big hitters that the money men will give a shit about.

If Germany, Brazil, England, France, Argentina and maybe a handful of others pulled out, that might make a difference, but not doubt Fifa would throw their toys out of the pram and ban them from further competitions or fine them or whatever.

Letting Qatar or Saudi Arabia host any kind of sporting event, even as far down as the WWE, is basically saying you're not arsed about what else is happening there. It's legitimising them.
Sportwashing. Pure and simple.
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To be honest, I think this would be the ideal situation. All the big boys pull out of FIFA and set up their own organisation away from the corruption. All the other nations can follow and join and before you know it the World Cup is allocated out on merit and we finally get to host a tournament again.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Disagree on this on two points.

1. I don't think only morally pure people are allowed to campaign against injustice (this is something that has been particularly exposed by the recent Rafiq debate in cricket).
2. I don't think you can say "ah, but do you care about X which is more important" every time somebody puts their hand up about something. You're probably right if we're carrying out an absurd exercise in weighing injustice: Qatar migrants do have it worse than BAME people in this country. But I don't think that's a sensible way to approach campaigning, otherwise we'd all only be able to campaign on one thing at a time. And only then if we were morally pure individuals.

It's whataboutery. A high functioning whataboutery maybe, but whataboutery all the same.

Anyway: this thread isn't about the knee, even if we disagree whether its irrelevant to Qatar debate. Plenty of places to debate that one, so maybe best to leave it.
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Taking the knee is hardly campaigning against injustice, though, that’s sort of my point. It costs nothing to take the knee. On the contrary - it could be very costly not to take the knee. Nick Griffin could take the knee. Would that suddenly make him Mr. Multicultural? While most footballers no doubt passionately believe they’re doing something good, there’ll be those just going along with it thinking ‘this is a crap, lazy, pointless gesture but I can’t be arsed with the fallout from the twatterati if I don’t do it’.

It would be a real gesture for the England team, and indeed our athletes, to boycott competitions in brutal, corrupt regimes. I won’t hold my breath though. Kneeling is easy. Making a real gesture like missing a major competition isn’t.
Maybe I’m a cynical old bastard, but I don’t care about accusations of whataboutery In this instance. I think it’s perfectly fair to question why those ‘brave’ sportspersons putting their very lives on the line by courageously kneeling for a few seconds are quite happy to enter competitions in countries that have zero respect for human rights.

I can still remember musicians boycotting Sun City in South Africa during apartheid. If you played there you rightly got some seriously bad publicity. It seems those values have long since gone. In some ways, we’ve actually regressed.

Anyway, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one point, but I respect your opinion. I know you hate all this as much as I do and you made your points very well.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
The thing for me though is that choosing not to watch it doesn't really oppose it at all. It won't affect the viewing figures, no one will know about it, the only thing it does is make me miss one of the few world cups in my lifetime. If you were going to go to Qatar, spend a load of money there etc, then you're actively supporting it, that's different. Sitting in the house watching or not watching a match does nowt though. What should have happened was an organised boycott / pressure on the sponsors. Make it toxic, make them pull out, criticise the TV channels that are going to show it. Make it so negatively perceived that sponsors would be saying "next time have it somewhere we aren't going to get a load of shit and lost sales for our money". That might have been slightly effective.

Like I say, fair play to anyone who is so opposed that they genuinely can't bear to even watch it on TV, but I don't really see it as any sort of a protest. Far as I'm concerned I won't go to the tournament, I won't buy any world cup Qatar merchandise, that's as far as I'd go, not giving them a penny of my money. I'll still watch on TV
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That's my entire post though. It's not about "opposing" it. It's about not sanctioning things which are immoral.

Which, if you're watching it, you are. You're saying at the end of the day as long as the football gets shown, at whatever the cost, its not changing your habits.

No it's not going to change anything in the bigger picture on it's own . But most things that have changed the world for the better began not as an attempt to change everything or even anything, but just people saying no to things which were immoral.

If someone will watch football knowing that thousands of people died in order to host it, thats their perogative and its on their conscience. But thats literally what they will be doing.
 
sonson said:
That's my entire post though. It's not about "opposing" it. It's about not sanctioning things which are immoral.

Which, if you're watching it, you are. You're saying at the end of the day as long as the football gets shown, at whatever the cost, its not changing your habits.

No it's not going to change anything in the bigger picture on it's own . But most things that have changed the world for the better began not as an attempt to change everything or even anything, but just people saying no to things which were immoral.

If someone will watch football knowing that thousands of people died in order to host it, thats their perogative and its on their conscience. But thats literally what they will be doing.
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State of that.

:rolleyes:
 
Lucky1985 said:
To be honest, I think this would be the ideal situation. All the big boys pull out of FIFA and set up their own organisation away from the corruption. All the other nations can follow and join and before you know it the World Cup is allocated out on merit and we finally get to host a tournament again.
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If the WC is allocated on merit we won't be any where near it. We've just had a major tournament in case you didn't notice. We couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
 
Yes let’s boycott a tournament whilst buying clobber from Primark produced in sweat shops, buying cheap electronics assembled in China and eating fruit harvested by kids.

I’m not saying it’s right buts the way of the world and shows a blanket naivety from the hypocrites who latch onto it.
 
Billericay Dichio said:
If the WC is allocated on merit we won't be any where near it. We've just had a major tournament in case you didn't notice. We couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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The UK has hosted two major sporting events in the last 25 years, the Euros and the Olympics, both of which were a huge success, so it seems we could organise a piss up in a brewery, as much as I know that irks you.

Apart from the Euro final at Wembley this year, where few hundred dick heads made headlines, we are very capable of organising major events.

See above for proof.
 
Visiting owl said:
The UK has hosted two major sporting events in the last 25 years, the Euros and the Olympics, both of which were a huge success, so it seems we could organise a piss up in a brewery, as much as I know that irks you.

Apart from the Euro final at Wembley this year, where few hundred dick heads made headlines, we are very capable of organising major events.

See above for proof.
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I never can understand the usuals on here who seem to revel in bad news and constantly play down the U.K.
Ever since brexit it’s been constant .
 
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