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Booing prior to the kick off.

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S.S.R.. said:
Me, hearing millionaires who could literally live anywhere on the planet telling me how horrible we are:

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“If you don’t like it then fuck off” (paraphrasing) is a woeful stance.

What about those protesting that don’t reach your monetary threshold? Stay and just put up with it?
 
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Waskerly Mackem said:
The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

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I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that "Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football" when they don't boo anything else.

Team huddles are never booed.
Minutes' silences are never booed.
Minutes' applauses are never booed.
The commemoration of fans who have died in the last home game of the season is never booed.
The last post at Armistice Day is never booed.
The mascots running off the pitch are never booed (in fact the lad coming off in his chair yesterday was rightly and loudly applauded).
The playing of Wise Men Say over the loudspeakers before the match is never booed.
Players taking drinks breaks and getting tactical advice from their managers during the game while a player is getting treatment are never booed.
Teams who decide to switch ends before kick off are never booed.
Substitutions are never booed because they are holding up the game.
Players praying before the match or when coming on as a substitute are never booed.
Refs and linesmen checking the goals are never booed.
Presentations of former players, Academy of Light teams, Foundation of Light teams, sponsors, womens teams, etc, are never booed.

But the 5 / 10 seconds when some players choose to take a knee to make a symbolic stand against racism is booed. Why do you think that is the odd one out?

Are the people booing because, although they are not racists, they have carefully researched the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement and the history of taking the knee in the USA, and on the basis of that knowledge, they are reject some of the perceived philosophical links between some elements of that movement and political philosophies which, following their research, they feel do not align with their own values?

Or are they just racists who want to disrupt people spending 5 / 10 seconds of silence to take a symbolic stand against racism?

Just looking at the frothing, Neanderthal gammons around me yesterday who were booing, I know which of the two I'd put my money on.
 
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Tommy Tolpuddle said:
Makes us look backward, hillbilly, lower league shite.
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A Tolpuddle Martyr?
Far Tibetan Mountain said:
Aye, loads of third division footballers will be playing in Qatar like.
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No one should be playing in Qatar. End of.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. 7,000 DEAD migrant workers and still they’re all going. Will they take the knee in Qatar for those poor, exploited corpses?
 
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Definitely Maybe said:
There's a difference between thinking the knee has run its course (which I agree with) and actively booing it though.

If people just want to get on with the game, why do they not boo the Last Post and laying the wreaths on Armistice Day? That takes a good 5 minutes compared to a 5 second knee.

You mentioned people ignoring the kids games because they're not interested. That's exactly what I do with the knee - just ignore it rather than boo or boo the kids.

We often have minutes applauses during games for fans who have died. Personally I find that a bit cringeworthy - people die every day but we can't honour them all individually, that's why we have a collective silence at the last home game. But I would never boo it.

All the reasons previously given have been well and truly debunked - Marxism, defunding the police, all lives matter etc. But people still boo a 5 second anti-discrimination gesture. But then deny that they're booing because they disagree with the message.
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Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
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All the time?it's 5 seconds.Actually,the 5 seconds ,for 20 odd games a season,isn't far off the minutes silence and ceremony around it(which I support,by the way).
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
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Our players took the knee in the play-offs against Lincoln last season. It was literally the first time any of our fans had stepped foot in the stadium for over year but still booed it.

On another note, I found the whole 'Clap for the NHS' thing during lockdown completely cringeworthy. I found the act of standing outside at a set time clapping for people who weren't there totally pointless, it achieved nothing and was cynically latched onto by the government to mask the fact they'd underfunded and underpaid the NHS for the past decade.

Still didn't stand there booing it though. If I had, I would think most people would assume I disagreed with the sentiment of the message and was actively opposing the NHS. That would be a logical thing to assume wouldn't it?
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
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What a huge imposition it is
 
Skylon said:
You implied it's fairly clear black players think it's a box ticking exercise. When only a few have voiced this opinion.I think the amount of players still taking the knee(it's their choice)is a fairer reflection of how many are still behind it.I wonder why you would want to imply such a thing?
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Don’t recall implying anything of the sort. If actually stated some have doubted it, which is true.
Black Cat Gypsy said:
It's not dividing the majority of people. The majority of people don't even notice it. It's only 8 seconds before a match. If you see a problem with that and think it's dividing society, then the problem is with you.
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So by definition we agree it is dividing a minority of people then?
 
TravellingMackem said:
Don’t recall implying anything of the sort. If actually stated some have doubted it, which is true.

So by definition we agree it is dividing a minority of people then?
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No because the majority see it as a positive thing or just don't notice it anymore. The minority are choosing to be offended by it and choosing to boo it.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
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I genuinely find it nuts that players kneeling for 5 seconds before a game (it has no impact on the match itself) is viewed as having "shite imposed on me".
 
chunkylover53 said:
I’m still waiting for you to ask me the questions you think I won’t answer
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More fool you tbh.

I told you yesterday you're not worth the bother when there are people who can have a debate without using tired old internet sidesteps. I gave you the chance to answer reasonable questions but you just want an argument. You'll take this as being afraid to debate with you, another forum classic.
 
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Bear Heed said:
I told you yesterday you're not worth the bother when there are people who can have a debate without using tired old Internet sidesteps. I gave you the chance to answer reasonable questions but you just want an argument. You'll take this as being afraid to debate with you, another forum classic.
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You didn’t ask me any questions?
 
Waskerly Mackem said:
The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

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'The outside world' is bigger and more important than football, not vice versa.

You sound like Alan Brazil.
 
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