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Booing prior to the kick off.

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Fact Hunt said:
the likes of you would love that. You’re always over these threads, embarrassing yourself.

the club has always found it hard to attract good players, don’t make it harder by effectively booing black players. we need to be more inclusive
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Wow, and you think my comments are embarrassing :rolleyes:
 

TravellingMackem said:
Im not qualified to make that assessment - but at the moment it’s fairly clear from the response of those being racially abused, black footballers in particular, that they see the knee thing as an excuse by the FA and other authorities to claim they are taking action, in lieu of actually taking some action. It’s also clear that the knee thing is creating a bigger racial divide amongst sections of society than it’s healing. Do you really think we’re in a better position than pre-knee taking?
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Outside of the well-publicised Zaha and maybe a few other that I haven't seen (happy to be provided links) is this a widespread opinion enough to abandon taking the knee altogether?

The Zaha quote in particular seems to be a lighting rod to all racists/those opposed in so much as "he doesn't think it's worth it so why bother".
 
Booing the uncomfortable truth of racism? I don’t get it. People need to move on and respect freedom of choice. I do think the knee thing is nearly all played out mind, and some actual policies need to be implemented as opposed to relying on gestures.
 
Bear Heed said:
Is taking the knee pre-match just about racism?

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the message tbh.
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Racism and all forms of discrimination according to our own club. I’ll rephrase my last post, then. They don’t like their own bigotry being called out.

Apologies for the Echo link 😀
 
Paint your wagon said:
Are the South Stand booing the opposition for taking the knee or are they booing the Sunderland players for not taking the knee?

Eitherway it's not good to hear and should stop.
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The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

Queue abuse.
 
Waskerly Mackem said:
The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

Queue abuse.
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Do you also hate minutes applauses? Remembrance Sunday etc? Of course you don't.

It takes 15 seconds at most. It's not a hindrance for anyone. So I do think that argument falls flat.

Although I do think there's a world of a difference between not supporting it and actively booing it.
 
Waskerly Mackem said:
The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

Queue abuse.
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So what is the obvious reason?You give about 5 reasons for getting rid of it here,ending with the obligatory George Floyd was a bad person,and starting with the we just want to watch the team play.And you say you got the knee taking at first!I am confused.What do you think when we have a minutes silence on poppy day?get on with the game?What did you think when we wore our away strip at home the other week?It's a couple of seconds at the start of a match man,it really doesn't matter much,unless there is another reason it makes you angry
 
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Racism and all forms of discrimination according to our own club. I’ll rephrase my last post, then. They don’t like their own bigotry being called out.

Apologies for the Echo link 😀
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And there's the problem imo.

Some people concentrate entirely on the racism aspect because they enjoy calling people racists with 'proof' that only exists in their own minds.

Anyone saying they're not a racist is absolute proof that they are :rolleyes:
 
Bear Heed said:
And there's the problem imo.

Some people concentrate entirely on the racism aspect because they enjoy calling people racists with 'proof' that only exists in their own minds.

Anyone saying they're not a racist is absolute proof that they are :rolleyes:
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I’m still waiting for you to ask me the questions you think I won’t answer
 
TravellingMackem said:
This, only succeeds in further dividing society in reality
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It hasn't. Most people aren't even bothered by it. Most people don't even notice it. It's just a percentage of people who seem to offended by it.

I honestly don't get why people think it's dividing society or need to boo.
Chi boy said:
This taking the knee is so last year ..
Who gives a shite .. people free to do whatever .. more importantly at the match .. get behind the lads.
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So is booing.
 
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