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Black Lives Matter

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jsdftm04 said:
I really doubt understand this 'all/white lives matter business'.

I'm a working class white male who people say are forgot and its them who are speaking up. I havent attended any protest for BLM, we all know that all lives matter, so why are people pushing their own agenda to be heard the loudest? Black people have a long history of being treat differently, let their voice be heard and the conversation had, doesnt affect my life one bit.
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Because they are racist's themselves, anyone banging that white lives matter stuff isn't hiding it very well.
 

superdougle said:
Tell me the % of police more likely to be killed by a black person than a black person killed by the police?? I’ve grew up with a wide range of races as friends, one particular family is mixed race are probably my closest friends, and I’ve discussed this at length with them. For true equality you really need to look at both sides of the problem, it’s pretty much pointless if you dont. The culture is the problem no wonder the police shoot people, imagine having your life on the line day in day out, worried that one person you arrest of any colour for the pettiest of crime could pull a gun and shoot you! and then be staggered to find the race that commits the most killings and most violent crime in a country where they have about 13% of the population finds themselves in more trouble with the law it’s crackers.
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So, a simple question; do you think there is systemic racism across the world or not? You seem keen to justify this.
 
Gillythedilf said:
Nail on the head.

I have a cousin who falls into this cat,right f***ing spoilt brat.Lives at home with her mar (28 ffs),hates the Tory party even though they give her benefits every week,has a tattoo sleeve,nose piercing ,posts pictures on social media of her singing at flowers and that.Shes a poster girl for the new labour voter.
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You appear not to like anyone who differs from you
 
JJH said:
Maybe black fathers should hang around a bit longer to raise their children.
75% of black families are unmarried / absent fathers.
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As a (white) father, why are you lumping unmarried and absent together when they aren't remotely similar? Me and my partner aren't married, neither of us are religious and we haven't really seen the point of spending a fortune for a day to get a certificate. I raise my son as much as any married father does.
 
Thurston said:
This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.
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Better and far more eloquently put than I could dream of - agree with this absolutely. Great post.
 
Travis said:
My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

If he was white he wouldn’t have even been put into custody so yes he died because of his skin colour
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How on Earth can you possibly know that. You're just writing what you want to believe.
 
safcpelaw said:
For me this black lives matter is a joke (the name causes divide in itself! I have no doubt we have racism in the Uk no where near the level of the USA.

I also have no doubt we had peaceful protesters to start but it was hijacked by fruit loops from both sides.

The footballers are hypocrites happy to take money from counties that still have slavery man city sheff united and potentially the mags to name three.

How far do we take this back to we boycott Italy for what the Romans done or do we stop Scandinavian for the history of the vikings Oh no we start tv shows for entertainment.

where was the mass protests for the Chinese slaves killed in morcombe? Or the protest for the Albanian slaves kept in caravans do these not count?

Being from a travellers background I know what first hand racism actually is and I’ve suffered it through school and even my adult life but when we have been removed from land we have bought etc I’ve not seen mass protests.

Black lives matter is stupid, white lives matter is stupid all lives matter is also stupid.

What we need is equality and until both sides stop being bairns we will never have this too many want the divide.

Even on here too many will happily be bits of bairns and name call behind a keyboard.
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Probably the best post i've seen on this subject.
 
two left feet said:
So, a simple question; do you think there is systemic racism across the world or not? You seem keen to justify this.
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No I don’t think systemic racism exists especially in the north east, I think your born and can do what ever you wish to do with your life, can’t see what opportunities are not available to a young white person starting in life as black, both are born into a hospital if they wish, all are entitled to an education, it’s up to the individual go as far as you want or your talents take you. what have I seemed keen to justify?? I’d like you to elaborate on that please.
 
Thurston said:
This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.
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another excellent post.
 
Thurston said:
This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.
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I think there’s a lot of truth in this But I disagree on some bits. There is systemic racism and a lot of racism it shines through clearly on this site and even in this thread. So Micah Richards despite his wealth will have suffered experiences of racism because of his skin colour and that’s something I think white people have to recognise. It’s not something white working class kids get, it’s an extra level of pain some have to suffer . However there is a big connecting point over class, poverty and opportunity. I recognise the fear some white people have over resources moving away from them and their suffering. If we don’t listen to all the people who are suffering it will just mean the ones with the money and power divide, rule and benefit. What I do think though Is that a lot of anti BLM people are middle aged white people who are doing ok - not the suffering few. It’s more anti left political activism and racism not white estate kids, in fact they are whipping up fury in these kids and pointing them toward the wrong source of their struggles.
 
superdougle said:
No I don’t think systemic racism is prevalent especially in the north east, I think your born and can do what ever you wish to do with your life, can’t see what opportunities are not available to a young white person starting in life as black, both are born into a hospital if they wish, all are entitled to an education, it’s up to the individual go as far as you want or your talents take you. what have I seemed keen to justify?? I’d like you to elaborate on that please.
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Changed as their will always be a minority, so doesn’t exist is incorrect , there is a small minority, do I think it has a major impact on society and what black people can achieve, no I don’t.
 
mad cyril said:
f***ing wankers The fella who owns the plane and agreed to it just as bad as the c***s who’s idea it was.
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But surly the people involved are allowed to express an opinion? You may not agree with it, Burnley May not agree with it, but is not endorsing black lives matter and condemning white lives matter not racism anyhow?
 
sir rowell cummins said:
I think there’s a lot of truth in this But I disagree on some bits. There is systemic racism and a lot of racism it shines through clearly on this site and even in this thread. So Micah Richards despite his wealth will have suffered experiences of racism because of his skin colour and that’s something I think white people have to recognise. It’s not something white working class kids get, it’s an extra level of pain some have to suffer . However there is a big connecting point over class, poverty and opportunity. I recognise the fear some white people have over resources moving away from them and their suffering. If we don’t listen to all the people who are suffering it will just mean the ones with the money and power divide, rule and benefit. What I do think though Is that a lot of anti BLM people are middle aged white people who are doing ok - not the suffering few. It’s more anti left political activism and racism not white estate kids, in fact they are whipping up fury in these kids and pointing them toward the wrong source of their struggles.
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I won’t disagree with you. I think any additional context and nuance in these kinds of conversations is welcome because I think that is somewhere a lot of the discourse on this subject falls short. There is too often a tendency to be reductive rather than adding to that which should be said. Fair points.
 
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