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Black Lives Matter

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woodlebert said:
It's just context for this thread. People have been asking various questions about "black lives matter" and "white lives matter" etc. I'm not saying it's an answer, job done. I'm just adding it in because I thought it was helpful shared context
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Yea fair do's. I wasnt trying to pick at you or anything like that. Just trying to articulate why I dont like that video on first thoughts.

I certainly hadnt thought that black lives matter was so pertinent to this country nor that it meant something entirely different from what it originated as.
 

errant said:
i think you're projecting your own views there like...
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Have a look into the black power movement in usa from the 60s and see what they stood for and then have a look at the 60s anc movement in south Africa and see the atrocities committed in their bombing sprees and the clenched fist symbol they took as their logo something Rashford showed the other day
 
gavrocks said:
I'm proud to be English and born in county durham what is wrong with that
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It’s just a pointless sentence - Why exactly are you proud of these things. I’m both of those things too - I’m neither proud nor ashamed - it’s just a statement of fact.
It’s the only identity either of us have eve known.
 
gavrocks said:
Have a look into the black power movement in usa from the 60s and see what they stood for and then have a look at the 60s anc movement in south Africa and see the atrocities committed in their bombing sprees and the clenched fist symbol they took as their logo something Rashford showed the other day
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it was the point that you're suggesting that rashford is in the minority, i don't think that to be the case - nor would i single him out as its been more common than not from the matches i've seen.
 
two left feet said:
Absolutely. Whichever way you look at it, something needs to be done.
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You seen the video of the black women slating blm she lost her 4 year old son her brother and partner at different times to black on black murders she says if a policeman asks you to get on the ground you get on the ground and do what you told and don't listen to blm
 
And still idiots are banging on about white/all lives matter. They can't be that thick.
ErichZann said:
Police knocking on his door for what, he has done something arguably morally wrong - nothing illegal though.
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He's shitting himself now :lol:

Edit. Worra surprise. He's a racist spenk.

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JXDD said:
Well first of all, you say that "I've yet to see any way any employer or public service mistreats black people in this country", and/or seem to be suggesting that racism can only be demonstrated by way of physical violence/murders of members of the opposite race, which is obviously completely untrue. But pick a category:

Police treatment:

- Black people arrested at more than 3 x the rate of white people;
- Four times more likely than average to be physically restrained, six times more likely to be hit with a firearm/restraint, and seven times more likely to be shot by the police.
- Almost TEN times more likely to be subject to a stop and search by the police.

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Economic/employment treatment:

- 70% of BAME workers reporting racist treatment at work in the last 5 years.
10% less likely to be in employment than white people.
- 9% less earnings p/h then white people.
- 35% more likely to be overlooked for a job opportunity than white people.

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Social treatment:

- 30% more likely to be accused of shoplifting.
- 20% more likely to be refused access to a restaurant, bar or club.

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Ignoring all of the above, and assuming that only 'outright' examples of violence/hostility count as per your post, are you genuinely saying that you don't think, for example):

- that football has a racism problem (racist chanting in the premier league/globally, racist incidents on the rise at grassroots level)

- that the UK has a problem with racist violence (50,000 rise in racist hate crimes since 2013)

- that black people don't face day-to-day discrimination based on their personal experiences/interactions (they do, my black mates have told me/I've been there).

What about the above do you think is acceptable/isn't a problem because 'some black men killed a white guy in the area recently'?
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Which could be spun that is because black people are more likely to partake in crime due to lower aspirations and MOBO musics seeming obsession with glorifying gang culture.

With regard to the workplace I find it very hard to believe this is intentional most likely younger snowflakes perceiving older peoples ignorance as racism. I.e my Grandad who was a dyed in the wool leftist and anti racist (was involved in the civil rights movement) innocently still in the early 00s using outdated terms such as coloured or red Indian etc. It would be workplace suicide to say something overtly racist in example a lad got a warning at my work for calling a good mate who took no offence a "puff" when he couldn't lift a box of paper. I'm not from an ethnic minority so not dismissing your points just find it particularly hard to believe anywhere near that level of overt racism happens in the workplace now we are in the days of HR and PC. With regard to employment the figure seems far more believable but again it could be spun that black kids don't do as well at school and every child has a right to free education so that isn't down to lack of opportunities that black males perform so poorly compared to Asians and Whites.
 
Lionel Hutzz said:
Which could be spun that is because black people are more likely to partake in crime due to lower aspirations and MOBO musics seeming obsession with glorifying gang culture.

With regard to the workplace I find it very hard to believe this is intentional most likely younger snowflakes perceiving older peoples ignorance as racism. I.e my Grandad who was a dyed in the wool leftist and anti racist (was involved in the civil rights movement) innocently still in the early 00s using outdated terms such as coloured or red Indian etc. It would be workplace suicide to say something overtly racist in example a lad got a warning at my work for calling a good mate who took no offence a "puff" when he couldn't lift a box of paper. I'm not from an ethnic minority so not dismissing your points just find it particularly hard to believe anywhere near that level of overt racism happens in the workplace now we are in the days of HR and PC. With regard to employment the figure seems far more believable but again it could be spun that black kids don't do as well at school and every child has a right to free education so that isn't down to lack of opportunities that black males perform so poorly compared to Asians and Whites.
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No group performs as badly in exams as white working class males. It's an attitudinal overhang thing from the times when low/no skilled jobs were plentiful. I remember from my time growing up that there were lads at my primary school who cried when they found out they'd passed the 11-plus because they couldn't go to the secondary modern with their mates. That lack of aspiration has passed down through the generations, leaving them with no qualifications.
 
dangermows said:
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Arse dropped now as quick as his social media accounts. Unfortunately not before plod and press grabbed all of his racist posts.
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Guy obviously is a racist and an idiot but there hasn't been anywhere near as much outrage about the gang rape tweets by BLM leaders. All racism is wrong it works both ways
 
Lionel Hutzz said:
Guy obviously is a racist and an idiot but there hasn't been anywhere near as much outrage about the gang rape tweets by BLM leaders. All racism is wrong it works both ways
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That just backs up what I and many others keep saying.. Most don't know, and don't care about the organisation etc more just the issue around blacks getting a raw deal. Even most of the right wingers didn't have a clue until very recently. Now it can be used as excuse to oppose BLM, even though they were opposing it before any of the political stuff even came to attention.

And whilst I agree, all racism is shite, this is attracting attention because the tit deliberately did it because of BLM. Didn't notice any WLM crack before this. Funny that. Almost as if there hasn't been an issue there.
 
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dangermows said:
That just back up what I and many others keep saying.. Most don't know, and don't care about the organisation etc more just the issue around blscks getting a raw deal. Even most of the right wingers didn't have a clue until very recently. Now it can be used as excuse to oppose BLM, even though they were opposing it before any of the political stuff even came to attention.
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Thats a fair argument, my dislike is for the way the movement are conducting themselves not any race as a whole. My personal belief is that multiculturalism started this shitstorm and in the days of assimilation we had a much greater sense of community. The windrush generation on the whole have been a credit to this country
 
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