[BBC] Miners' Di Canio protest 'will only end with Sunderland campaign support'

[Duke of Hendonshire]

I imagine at the time people felt democracy was failing them, much like some do now. So things became extreme in both directions i.e. communism vs those preferring the totalitarian/fascist doctrines. Then Adolf happened who was a whole new level of fooked up nuttiness.

I'm no historian like, but that's the impression I got from the odd documentary.

So anyway 4-4-2 tomorrow then???? :-D

That and the economic disaster that was the Weimar Republic.

 

[Midday Sun Englishman]

If you look at some of the economic forces sweeping Europe and the political incompetence many leaders are showing plus the diminishing role democracy is playing (EU anyone? Technocrats?) I think it is very easy to not appreciate how severe things are getting. Look at the percentage extremists got in Greece.

I would be surprised if we don't lose a few European democracies over the next decade

Hurrah - a mainly sensible post from you - well done.

The rise of right wing extremism is worrying. You do understand why it's happening in those particular countries though, eh? Why they're so in debt?

 

[haway]

I imagine at the time people felt democracy was failing them, much like some do now. So things became extreme in both directions i.e. communism vs those preferring the totalitarian/fascist doctrines. Then Adolf happened who was a whole new level of fooked up nuttiness.

I'm no historian like, but that's the impression I got from the odd documentary.

So anyway 4-4-2 tomorrow then???? :-D

Indeed. Public opinion in British politicians and European ones in general at an all time low. In Britain it's particularly concerning how much it's fallen.

Personally, I would play 4-5-1, purely due to the fact we have absolutely shite all up front and are weak defensively - our midfield is poor and we need numbers or I fear they'll trot straight through us. However, it would be a 4 5 1 where I'd be telling both Sess and AJ to be running their arse up and getting up the pitch.

Hurrah - a mainly sensible post from you - well done.

The rise of right wing extremism is worrying. You do understand why it's happening in those particular countries though, eh? Why they're so in debt?

Of course. I think the management of many European economies, in particular the PIIGS has been short sighted and incredibly poor. Though I don't think it's particularly a left / right wing issue per se - Berlusconi was as bad as anyone, and if thinking about the US one of their main issues was Bush's tax cuts and the war in Iraq which were both very expensive.

 

[Maxie]

The reason the likes of hopper are all shitting themselves is because fascism will worry them because whilst they all purport to be lefties and socialists, the only thing they're bothered about is themselves and their own pockets. Rather than socialism its actually selfish-ism!

They won't like it....but they're all actually f***ing Tories when you look closely enough

 

[jcrossan]

My father was a miner, my grandfather was a miner and my great grandfather was a miner.

They held their grudges - you couldn;t mention Churchill in our house growing up - but as lifelong Sunderland supporters they would have laughed at this nonsense. They had other things to worry about than what some bloke did years ago in the heat of a football match or what he might have said or not said. Judge the man on what he is right now: we all do things we shouldn't have done - it's not like he sent the troops in or deliberatly destroyed the industry for political aims.

Save your disdain for Maggie and her ilk.

 

[juliogeorgio]

Disagree about that completely................... etc, et al

Thats a suprise .
Soz mate, cant really be arsed to chew the fat over politics any more. Its about footie at the end of the day, I think we've all been a touch distracted by the loony left hijacking the PDC signing.
Now is it Sunday yet........

 

[DJP]

Fuckin hell man - this well out of order, infact bordering on illegal, as it sounds like this was never a part of any contractual agreement from the outset. f***ing parasites, this behaviour should be publicized mate, to show these money grabbing self absorbed gangsters for what they are. Cant believe they get away with bullying Colliery Pensioners to line their own pockets, WTF.

Aye, you're right marra. I told my dad to contact the Echo but he said he doesn't want any fuss. He's happy chucking the money he used to give to the union down his throat!

Quite ironic really giving that Hopper was never without a pint during the strike himself.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Disagree about that completely.

If you look at some of the economic forces sweeping Europe and the political incompetence many leaders are showing plus the diminishing role democracy is playing (EU anyone? Technocrats?) I think it is very easy to not appreciate how severe things are getting. Look at the percentage extremists got in Greece.

I would be surprised if we don't lose a few European democracies over the next decade/

Far-right or far-left politics won't be a threat in our lifetimes. Capitalism is far too strong and people like buying shit they don't need. Don't be so hysterical. A Left-winger was elected in France and what changed? Nothing. Even if the far-right was voted in Greece, people would still pine for their consumables.

The reason the likes of hopper are all shitting themselves is because fascism will worry them because whilst they all purport to be lefties and socialists, the only thing they're bothered about is themselves and their own pockets. Rather than socialism its actually selfish-ism!

They won't like it....but they're all actually f***ing Tories when you look closely enough

This (apart from the Tory bit). Because their membership has started to wane and die-off, they are on a self-promotion exercise to justify their salaries and hopefully boost them.

Why are these people pursuing such a soft target, rather than the BNP, EDL etc? Because it's a lot less effort and, potentially more lucrative

 

[DrumavilleDave]

:roll:

 

[Paxton]

Fuck off.

If they get PDC sacked we're down for sure.

 

[viccarlton]

Well, it's only taken us 100 years to realise what a bunch of self-aggrandising pricks the left are. Shame the country didn't catch on years back - we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

So the state the country is in is down to Left wingers, I'm pretty sure the Tories have done more than their share to screw this country.

 

[LUBITSCH]

Fuck off.

If they get PDC sacked we're down for sure.

They're not going to get him sacked.
It's more than football now. It's a matter of right and wrong.
Either we back Paolo or we allow the forces of darkness, represented by Hopper and the anti-fascists, to prevail.
I can't remember being so enthusiastic about my club for decades, but if Paolo is forced out I'll never set foot in The SOL again.
The anti-freedom left are right about one thing, some things are more important than football. If SAFC capitulated to those bullies that would be it for me.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

So the state the country is in is down to Left wingers

Aye, that's my opinion.

 

[viccarlton]

Aye, that's my opinion.

Each to their own, but I'm sure others would disagree.

 

[Mainze]

I would prefer to join an anti socialism campaign tbh.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

Each to their own, but I'm sure others would disagree.

Some would, granted.

I have my reasons: by and large they prefer centralised control with power in the hands of a select group of people; they believe that individuals are at their best when micro managed. I couldn't disagree more. Innovation and enterprise is borne out of the freedom to manouvre.

 

[viccarlton]

Some would, granted.

I have my reasons: by and large they prefer centralised control with power in the hands of a select group of people; they believe that individuals are at their best when micro managed. I couldn't disagree more. Innovation and enterprise is borne out of the freedom to manouvre.

Everything you say is true, what is the Tory line on manipulating and controlling the masses?

 

[LUBITSCH]

Each to their own, but I'm sure others would disagree.

Yes, it's a pity the anti-Paolo mob have dragged politics onto the PF forum.
Unfortunately, because they have been overwhelmingly from the left it has become inevitable that politics have poured onto PF. It's no fault of Paolo, it's the pathetic and precious, trouble-making anti-Paolo brigade.
I'm pleased that so many on the left have seen through the nonsense and supported PDC from the start, or based any concerns purely on football matters.

 

[rowley2]

It's ironic that what this episode has revealed is that we seem to have a problem with an unaccountable left wing. I see no evidence of any sort of far right activity involved in any of this.

You won't either. Fascism, as they seem to insist on discussing, was a product of the left. Mussolini was an ardent revolutionary socialist. Fascism was his invention. To this day, the BNP, who are the only party ever described as fascist in the UK, have a manifesto far to the left of that ever held by a mainstream party here.

As bad as it was by the way, fascism was responsible for many times fewer deaths than it's near cousin Communism. They may have fought wars with each other but these two "isms" have more in common with each other than they have separating them.

But don't expect even a thin grasp of history from the type of individuals who are keen to be seen mouthing of on this subject. They appear to have learned what little they know from a BBC leaflet.

 

[Locke's SAFC]

Everything you say is true, what is the Tory line on manipulating and controlling the masses?

You won't find a government in the world, in any period, that hasn't controlled information to some extent - but there are degrees.

Clearly, economically speaking the conservatives are a liberal party, e.g. promoting competition; socially they're a conservative party - and this is where I disagree with them.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'controlling the masses' in this context - give me an example and I'll get back to you.