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BBC Alternative League Tables - Data


Dodgy said:
4th best.
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Not taken into account tho is it
Frijj said:
How and why is it “bollox” though?

It baffles me how so many people fail to understand it.


I’m not saying they do though.

People on here dismiss the data science and instead say things like “xG is bollocks like ya knar it’s all about tha points and that like aye”

Without realising that it’s data science, that relies on things like xG (including its drivers and derivatives) that have helped us sign great players for cheap.

Roefs for example, I bet you that one of the ways he was identified was though his expected goals conceded, i.e. if the xG of the shots he faced was say 30.8 but his actual goals conceded was 22.4, you’d want to understand why that was.
22.0, you can’t have 0.4 of a goal :lol:
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Because it’s not accurate 😂😂
 
Kent Boy 2 said:
It all shows that football isn’t played on computers 😂😂

On xG points we should have finished 18th.
Home form we were 8th.
Away form we were 13th.
Goals scored from set pieces 17th.
Goals against from set pieces 10th.
Goals scored from long shots 16th.
Goals against from long shots 14th.
Goals scored by English players 20th.

The last is particularly impressive. A total of 1 (Riggy at Villa) - the lowest in over 100 years.

Final league position - 7th and Europa League. Stick that up your ar*e OPTA 😂😂😂
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We must be #1 for goals scored by a Paraguan
 
I'd rather finish 7th in the proper league than the xg league like.....

That said underlying stats suggest the priorities for pre season, are around us being more creative. But I don't think anyone needed xg to realise that tbh.

Play ELF in the middle and that's a decent increase of xg in itself.
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Kent Boy 2 said:
It all shows that football isn’t played on computers 😂😂

On xG points we should have finished 18th.
Home form we were 8th.
Away form we were 13th.
Goals scored from set pieces 17th.
Goals against from set pieces 10th.
Goals scored from long shots 16th.
Goals against from long shots 14th.
Goals scored by English players 20th.

The last is particularly impressive. A total of 1 (Riggy at Villa) - the lowest in over 100 years.

Final league position - 7th and Europa League. Stick that up your ar*e OPTA 😂😂😂
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One stat not mentioned is points won from losing positions. That is where we excelled and 'Til The End summed us up. That's why we finished 7th despites OPTA stats.
 
Frijj said:
In what way is it not accurate?

For example, if 75% of penalties are scored, then any given penalty has an xG of 0.75.

I am sure you understand that so please tell me how it isn’t accurate.
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So your sayi no that brobbeys chance only a third of people would score. Dont talk shit
 
Kent Boy 2 said:
It all shows that football isn’t played on computers 😂😂

On xG points we should have finished 18th.
Home form we were 8th.
Away form we were 13th.
Goals scored from set pieces 17th.
Goals against from set pieces 10th.
Goals scored from long shots 16th.
Goals against from long shots 14th.
Goals scored by English players 20th.

The last is particularly impressive. A total of 1 (Riggy at Villa) - the lowest in over 100 years.

Final league position - 7th and Europa League. Stick that up your ar*e OPTA 😂😂😂
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Hopefully we do something re set pieces as the current league champions profited massively from them
123SunTan said:
We must be #1 for goals scored by a Paraguan
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That’s not how you spell penguin
 
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Things like xG are just indicators though, they can help explain a bigger picture. They don't mean a lot on their own.
 
Frijj said:
I didn’t say “only a third” at all, I don’t know where you got that from
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It’s what the xg says. Hence the point it’s bllx.
I think maybe if YOU understood football more you’d realise the xg figures against some of the chances created isn’t accurate rather than insulting people on a forum.
 
This xG thing has been raised a fair bit this season to suggest we've overperformed, but 18th seems very harsh.

What is true is that we've come out on the right side of a lot of close games but I think that was mainly earlier in this season (Forest and Chelsea away, Brentford and Bournemouth at home). Second half the season felt a lot more like we more clearly deserved the wins that we got and that still amounted to 25 points over 20 games that would have us 50 points over the season and comfortably mid table.
 
SuperKevsLeftBoot said:
It’s what the xg says. Hence the point it’s bllx.
I think maybe if YOU understood football more you’d realise the xg figures against some of the chances created isn’t accurate rather than insulting people on a forum.
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I haven’t insulted anyone.

If xG is 0.33 then it means that chance is expected to be converted 33% of the time, and that’s based on thousands of other similar chances.

That’s how xG works.

Can you please explain to why it’s wrong instead of just repeating yourself?
 
Frijj said:
I haven’t insulted anyone.

If xG is 0.33 then it means that chance is expected to be converted 33% of the time, and that’s based on thousands of other similar chances.

That’s how xG works.

Can you please explain to why it’s wrong instead of just repeating yourself?
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I know what xg means and how it’s calculated.

So you think that brobbeys chance would only be scored 33% of the time? 😂 which is a third btw and you don’t think it’s a load of bllx? Ffs
Don’t bother replying please. Can’t be arsed.
 
Frijj said:
In what way is it not accurate?

For example, if 75% of penalties are scored, then any given penalty has an xG of 0.75.

I am sure you understand that so please tell me how it isn’t accurate.
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If you have one penalty taker and he scores every time, that mean the xG would be 100%. However, if that penalty taker injured, would the xG still be 100%, surely not - guessing in that scenario the xG would be different- no idea how it is calculated.
 
SuperKevsLeftBoot said:
I know what xg means and how it’s calculated.

So you think that brobbeys chance would only be scored 33% of the time? 😂 which is a third btw and you don’t think it’s a load of bllx? Ffs
Don’t bother replying please. Can’t be arsed.
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Well if it has an xG of 0.33 then that would mean that yes, that chance is only scored 33% of the time.

Seems like you can’t be arsed with understanding something quite basic.
 
Frijj said:
Well if it has an xG of 0.33 then that would mean that yes, that chance is only scored 33% of the time.

Seems like you can’t be arsed with understanding something quite basic.
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I don’t know if you’re in an wind up!

It’s clearly not a chance scored 33% of the time FFS
 
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