Buttler is definitely one of the wealthiest English cricketers.
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Voice of fair play
Striker
I would hazard a guess that the wealthiest Australian, New Zealand, Indian and Pakistan cricketers are very good and talented players
Most of them are good test players too
Voice of fair play
Striker
That’s a fair point, but it’s certainly also a fair point that the wealthiest cricketers in the world from whatever country are clearly very talented cricketers.
Most don’t chase the money as much
Voice of fair play
Striker
Not sure he does, not a expert but I don’t see him going round the world chasing money in different franchise leagues when he clearly would be one of the first names on most team sheets.
I see him playing in the IPL which 90% of the best T20 cricketers in the world do.
And then hoping for selection for the national test team.
Not sure how that adds up to chasing money more than other top global cricket players
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Steak Pie
Striker
He was. And then another go, and another, and another, and another. No player since Ramprakash has achieved so little with so many chances. Jason Roy should feel pretty aggrieved, he only got 5 tests, not 57.
Buttler is one of the more talented white ball players, but his record in all red ball cricket is sub par. All of it, throughout his career. There was a spell of about 7/8 matches where it looked like this might eventually click for him, but he soon reverted to type. You, and many others, still judge his red ball career on what you wanted to have happened, and not what did.
Shall we have a little game? The England ODI team have had a solid top six for a few years now, Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, why don't we rank them in order of their averages.....
But come, I'm genuinely intrigued... If it "could be perceived your criticism of him means you want the test team to lose" does that apply to other posters and other cricketers, or just me and Buttler. And in any of these cases, WTF?
Voice of fair play
Striker
To address your first point I have said in nearly ever post on this thread it’s very disappointing someone as talented as him has not made the transition to test cricket.He was. And then another go, and another, and another, and another. No player since Ramprakash has achieved so little with so many chances. Jason Roy should feel pretty aggrieved, he only got 5 tests, not 57.
Buttler is one of the more talented white ball players, but his record in all red ball cricket is sub par. All of it, throughout his career. There was a spell of about 7/8 matches where it looked like this might eventually click for him, but he soon reverted to type. You, and many others, still judge his red ball career on what you wanted to have happened, and not what did.
Shall we have a little game? The England ODI team have had a solid top six for a few years now, Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, why don't we rank them in order of their averages.....
But come, I'm genuinely intrigued... If it "could be perceived your criticism of him means you want the test team to lose" does that apply to other posters and other cricketers, or just me and Buttler. And in any of these cases, WTF?
So by that I am obviously saying he has been disappointing in red ball cricket, so I am not judging his red ball career on what I wanted to happened, because what I wanted to happen was for him to be as successful in red ball cricket as he has been in white ball, which clearly he hasn’t by anyone’s standard.
The fact he has soo many chances you allude too, only really proves my point, in that others in the game also think he is a very talented cricketer hence the reason for the soo many chances.
Your second point imo whatever averages say Buttler would be the first choice imo in that one day side out of the players mentioned and in one day cricket, you know as well as do in that format strike rate is also important and that coming in further down the order means more risks hence effecting averages.
I have not looked recently but when I checked a year or so go Buttler had something like 6 of the 10 fastest one day hundreds ever for England in 50 over cricket, if that is not a glowing recommendation of his talent I do not know what is?
His constantly praised by his peers as a freaklish talent in white ball cricket, and it’s not unrealistic to say he has possibly been England’s best ever white ball cricketer.
As for your third point I think you misunderstood what I was saying, of course you don’t want England to lose, what you said was that the fact you criticised Buttler would mean some would say you want England test side to lose.
And I was saying how could that be perceived as Buttler is not even in the test side.
Thanks for that, Captain Obvious.
Must walk round with your eyes closed.
8 teams in 13 seasons (Not including England)
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Voice of fair play
Striker
I know that what I meant is that he has not made himself unavailable for England test team like other players have to chase money in franchise leagues.Thanks for that, Captain Obvious.
Must walk round with your eyes closed.
8 teams in 13 seasons (Not including England)
So why didn’t you say that?
It smacks of you once again moving the goalposts after you’ve seen your arse. As evidenced in your exchanges with @Steak Pie.
No they arent, only a handful in the world are
wtf?
Some strange posts here like.
Steak Pie
Striker
You kept saying best ever cricketers though and rarely, if ever, say 'white ball' (I note you've changed your tune in this post mind). And that's the point I've always made. He's not and never will be one of England's greatest ever because he's never managed to get to grips with proper, long form cricket. Not even at the most basic level, the county championship.
He's got the game to be a T20 legend, he might be the best pure hitter on the planet with a bit of power and some fantastic finesse. Which makes him completely suited to T20 where the average innings per batsman is something like 16-17 balls. It will be even less in the 16.4 as well, so he'll probably do very well there too. T10 even moreso.
And I do think it's worth noting his ODI career that's 6th out of 6 when it comes to averages (6th out of 6 in the World Cup as well). And I hadn't noticed until yesterday when I looked, that he's never batted in the top three in his entire career. That's a bizarre statistic on the face of it, you would think you'd want him in the power play. You'd have thought it would have been tried, at least once! But if you accept that he's struggled to play against a moving ball it suddenly makes sense. He doesn't have the game to lead out. Bairstow and Root have ODI record which are on a different planet to Jos, so leave it to them.
And you're changing your tune, you clearly said: And could it be perceived your criticism of him means you want the test team to lose. But you're rowing it back so we'll leave it there.
I just wish I had Jos's PR team.
Voice of fair play
Striker
On your last point mate, the sentence meant to read ‘how could it perceived your criticism of him means you want the team to lose’ when he is not even playing, typing to fast must have missed the how as you right have read it back.
I strongly believe not one single person on this thread wants England to lose a game as we all cricket fans that’s why we commenting on here in the first place.
It’s beyond silly imo for anyone to suggest that, I certainly have not done that in thousands of posts.
I think we have to be fair and accept common ground on this, Buttler’s first class red ball record is poor and to back up your point it could argued one of the worst ever to be picked for England.
But think you have to be fair too, whatever the averages say Buttler is clearly one of the first names in that one day side and is clearly not 6th out 6 as you suggesting in terms of ability performance and talent and if you been fair I think you know that, even the other players mentioned would probably admit that imo.
Having watched Buttler in both one day and T20 games his reading of the game situation and what is required at a certain times in a game is up there with the very best, imo he has a hell of a cricket brain.
He has mentioned time and time again by well renowned world cricketing figures as one of the best finishers in the world in one day cricket.
And I think that is more of a reason why he bats further down the order imo.
He is far more than a hitter he is a hell of a cricketer imo, that what I was trying to get across ( all be it yes fair dos in white ball)
But yeah fair dos you are dead right he has not made the transition to test cricket.
And I have said time and time again imo the very best cricketers adapt to all formats so very much take your point up to a point.
If that makes sense
There is nothing wrong you know with people changing tune slightly after reading and respecting other peoples points of view, that is what debates are about for me accepting each other’s points at times.
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