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As predicted....


Parkside said:
Yeh, he's probably already made a fortune from white ball cricket. Is it a lack of ability or lack of desire to make the transition to red ball cricket?
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Probably lack of practice at red ball as @The Rat alluded is main reason for me

Don’t think lack of ability or lack of desire more technique and unable to adapt from one format to another successfully

The players who can adapt from one format to another truly great players for me.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Probably lack of practice at red ball as @The Rat alluded is main reason for me

Don’t think lack of ability or lack of desire more technique and unable to adapt from one format to another successfully

The players who can adapt from one format to another truly great players for me.
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Aye thats true, and there are hardly any at all. I can count them on 1 hand just about in the whole world, batsman that is.

Its just the era we live in thats all.

Buttler is a bit of a freak, and it is just lack of practice, there is a wider issue however with the lesser younger players mind. There is a lad, cant forget his name, who scored a 100 in the PSL, English, hell of a talent, never played a red ball game yet, and you'd guess he wont play many on that career path.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah I took a bit of a breath when I seen that and I am his biggest fan!!

Obviously it is Root.

I suspect what he meant was he thinks he is probably one of the most naturally talented and more championship cricket could only help him get better at red ball cricket.

All probably irrelevant now as I suspect he will stick to white ball cricket, where he is simply a brilliant player.
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120+ first class matches and his record is pretty much identical to Ned Eckersley's.

He's been dropped by both the counties he's been at, he's played the equivalent of 8 full seasons of CC cricket and 57 test matches. He's also NEVER batted in the top 3 for England in an ODi.

When the ball is doing something, Jos doesn't. But I've given up hoping people will see what has actually happened, rather than what they wanted to have happened.
 
Steak Pie said:
120+ first class matches and his record is pretty much identical to Ned Eckersley's.

He's been dropped by both the counties he's been at, he's played the equivalent of 8 full seasons of CC cricket and 57 test matches. He's also NEVER batted in the top 3 for England in an ODi.

When the ball is doing something, Jos doesn't. But I've given up hoping people will see what has actually happened, rather than what they wanted to have happened.
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Yet he is probably one of the most well known English cricketers in the world.
brandon said:
It was me that made that point ;)
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Go on than mate I stand corrrected it’s the correct and right point though.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Well maybe that’s why globally he is known as much as any other English cricketer because he is very talented and good.

Just a thought!
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We talking white ball cricket now?

I wasn't.

But then, as I said earlier, I've given up any hope of people looking and his 12 year first class and 57 test career and judging it on what he's actually done.
 
Steak Pie said:
We talking white ball cricket now?

I wasn't.

But then, as I said earlier, I've given up any hope of people looking and his 12 year first class and 57 test career and judging it on what he's actually done.
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Has anyone on this thread actually said he has a good red ball record though? All I've seen is people saying they wished he had transferred his white ball game to red ball cricket.
 
Steak Pie said:
We talking white ball cricket now?

I wasn't.

But then, as I said earlier, I've given up any hope of people looking and his 12 year first class and 57 test career and judging it on what he's actually done.
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I was taking about him been talented and good as a cricketer which he clearly is and renowned worldwide as a global quality cricket player.

And that it was a shame that clear and undoubted talent has not transferred to the test side.
 
Provider said:
Has anyone on this thread actually said he has a good red ball record though? All I've seen is people saying they wished he had transferred his white ball game to red ball cricket.
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Yes. We have people saying he's the best and/or in the ten best batsman in the country and he just needs more CC games. We have people saying it's a shame he couldn't translate his county championship form to the test arena. But you see he did transfer his county championship form to the test arena, that's the problem. Equally poor.

There's never been a doubt about his white ball game. Although isn't it interesting that he's never, not once in 148 games, batted in the top three where he might have to face a moving ball. Anyhow, I get that he's proper good bloke and criticising him means that I want the Test team to lose. We know how this works by now so best leave it.
 
Steak Pie said:
Yes. We have people saying he's the best and/or in the ten best batsman in the country and he just needs more CC games. We have people saying it's a shame he couldn't translate his county championship form to the test arena. But you see he did transfer his county championship form to the test arena, that's the problem. Equally poor.

There's never been a doubt about his white ball game. Although isn't it interesting that he's never, not once in 148 games, batted in the top three where he might have to face a moving ball. Anyhow, I get that he's proper good bloke and criticising him means that I want the Test team to lose. We know how this works by now so best leave it.
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I thought it was people saying it’s a shame he could it take his white ball form into test arena and not county championship form into the test arena as does not play in the county championship! So no idea why anyone would say that?
And could it be perceived your criticism of him means you want the test team to lose.

He is not even in the test team!!
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I thought it was people saying it’s a shame he could it take his white ball form into test arena and not county championship form into the test arena as does not play in the county championship! So no idea why anyone would say that?
And could it be perceived your criticism of him means you want the test team to lose.

He is not even in the test team!!
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:lol::lol: Does that apply to any player, or just Buttler?
 
Steak Pie said:
:lol::lol: Does that apply to any player, or just Buttler?
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Thought the discussion was about Buttler he was given a go at test cricket based of his clear talent in one day cricket not really based of his county championship form.

That happened to other players too Roy for instance.

It did not work out there either so there is certainly a argument that players should be picked of their county championship form of course there is.

But still doesn’t change the point that Buttler is clearly one of the most talented cricketers England have produced in recent years that is well known globally.

And surely an English fan would be disappointed that his massive talent hasn’t been seen to such effect as in one day cricket.
 
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