That's not what I said mate and you know it. What I said was pressure works because it does and you know it. That's why people have protests for centuries including in the North east. Rodwell was the only one booed in the SU game aye, as I said. It worked because he was dropped next game and has barely played since, if at all. I did not say he was the only one booed all season so I don't know where you got that from...
And aye, given we are yet to win a single league game that Rodwell has played the entire match, you're welcome (he was taken off early against Crystal Palace. Read carefully because I wouldn't want your confirmation bias to ruin your understanding) you're welcome. Last reply to you as there's no point debating with you, you won't change your mind regardless of the evidence or the facts. You seem to have confused Sunderland Association Football Club for a religion, and as such, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
OK here's why that was confirmation bias. You say "it worked" because he never played again, which firstly makes the assumption that the only reason he never played again was because he was booed in that particular match, and secondly ignores the fact that every one of our players has been booed at some point and none of the rest of them have been perma-dropped for it. You've ignored all the evidence that pressure
doesn't work (the rest of the players that have been booed and still playing) along with the possibility that your booing had nothing to do with his being dropped because neither of those overwhelming facts fit your pre-existing conclusion that "pressure works".
And Rodwell... So instead of giving him a chance to improve and
possibly become the player he used to be or at least putting himself in the shop window to get him off the wage bill, you've decided that it's better for him to not even be involved with the playing squad at all, instead just getting his wages for nothing, being a drain on the club's finances while having no hope of any other team buying him from us or even offering him a contract worth him leaving SAFC. Great. Very mature. That's what my old granny used to call "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
I forgot about that thread.
Apparently he gives Coleman 10/10 because the only way you can judge a manager is by his performance in press conferences and interviews. Never heard so much rubbish in all my life personally but I'd be interested to know if he still gives Coleman 10/10. I don't think his press conferences have got any worse so surely it's still top marks. Fuck all points like but canny crack at a "presser"
Not exactly what I said but not far off. I can't see the post you're responding to. It must have been posted by someone I have on ignore.
What I said in the "Rate Coleman" thread was more along the lines of:
We can't judge a manager purely on points won when he has only been in the job for a short time and has had no money to spend. After a few years of being properly supported by the owner in the transfer market,
then you can start judging them on points won because it will be their team rather than someone else's that they're managing. Also, because there's no way to judge how many points any other manager could have won managing that same squad at that same particular time, there's no reference for how many points we could have picked up from those matches
.
We can't judge a manager on team selections primarily because we don't see what happens behind the scenes. If a player was good last year but lets say for example this year has been a lazy arse in training and not putting in the effort he used to, we fans wouldn't necessarily hear about the reasons why he wasn't being selected over a younger player with lower skills who
had been putting in the effort in training. The same can be said for substitutions - players may have been put on the bench purely because nobody else was available in their position, but had turned up to work hung-over or was mouthy to the boss in the dressing room so wasn't being brought on for fitness or disciplinary reasons. Again after a few years the buck for disciplinary/fitness excuses stops with the manager once he has built his own squad but until then it's unfair to even try to judge them on this.
We can't judge Coleman on transfers because he hasn't been given anything to spend yet. He's been forced to use the loan system halfway through the season when the best available-for-loan players are already out on loan somewhere else.
Most of his job takes place where we can't see him at work, and so the vast majority of his work isn't something we can judge him on. All that is left is his public appearances - interviews and press conferences. If we want to be absolutely honest about judging him fairly on things for which we have genuinely sufficient information rather than just knee-jerk mob-mentality witch-hunt bollocks, then as his pressers and interviews are our only point of actual contact with him it is those that we should be judging him on.
At the time of the thread, in my opinion he deserved 10/10 for his pressers and interviews. He was forthright and professional at all times, occasional humour (only at times when appropriate), came across as intelligent, alert, dedicated and focused on the job at hand. The last few I've seen he looks a bit more beaten down by it all but he looks like he's still trying so I'd say he's probably dropped to about an 8/10 on average.
So every step of the way I've shown why
I think we
can't judge him on certain things. Nobody's yet given me a convincing reason why any of those individual points are even debatable let alone "wrong".
