Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

[redandwhiterob]

Can I ask a potentially stupid question?
Lets say the club did have copies of the messages and all that, could we be punished in football terms for something like this? As in a points deduction or fine?

Legally we haven't done a thing wrong. Not a single chance of a points deduction or fine

 

[sonson]

Some people need to get a grip. If you were to commit a crime and knew you were guilty, would you tell your Employer this, knowing they would sack you? I know I wouldn't, I would try to earn as much as possible before going down, and would anyone one here really do anything differently? Why the fuck would you?

No different if you are earning £15K A year or £65k a week, you would string it out for as long as you would, do on that basis I am calling AJ a lying kernt, And the first time SAFC knew he had necked on with a schoolie was the first day of the trial, M'Lord

There's this thing called remorse and moral integrity. Admittedly pretty unfashionable these days in a society that values selfishish gain over everything else, but there was nonetheless the option of Doing The Decent Thing rather than committing a sexual offence on a minor then continuing on in the protection and employ of a job providing a multi million pound wage. A job at minimum wage in the same circumstances would be at risk, yet he earned more than most will do in their life as someone fully aware that they were a sex offender. It's hardly something to be blasé about man, if you have any interest or investment in the concept of justice.

 

[haway]

So if you can't believe what's said under oath there's no chance of people believing a statement or whatever is there?



Don't forget dictating the PF email to the club

 

[Reiver]

Of course people lie in court, that was exactly my point.

 

[Mary Hinge]

What have the PFA got to do with Sunderland's decision to name him in matchday squads after he was charged?

Dunno ask em why they let Barton play?

 

[haway]

Of course people lie in court, that was exactly my point.

You talking to yourself again?

 

[Sima]

You can only serve that suspension for a short time. You then have to act on it

In a crime of this severity its standard to suspend on full pay until the conclusion of the investigation.

 

[theinediblebulk]

No it wouldn't, it's standard procedure in workplaces up and down the country to suspend employees on full pay on a charge such as this where the defendant has used their job in order to carry out these crimes.

It's irrelevant to the court when this happens.

From UNISON's website.

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Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.

That's the legal angle. Johnson claimed innocence, the club sought independant legal advice as well as working with outside agencies regarding safeguarding, and of course the PFA were involved as well.

The employers hands were tied in relation to resolving the issue as swiftly as possible due it being a criminal investigation rather than a simple in-house issue. The review would have occurred after all relevant discussions between all parties had taken place and then it would have been decided the suspension would be lifted as legally, that's pretty much what they had to do.

 

[haway]

You can only serve that suspension for a short time. You then have to act on it

That's suspension WITHOUT pay. You can suspend with pay until the cows come home.

 

[walesie]

well i am not sure, but if you were a player watching all of this what would you think ? if it were me i would be thinking i am not signing for them, but again it depends on what said players think, maybe some will and maybe some won't, but it could put a few off it is possible.

It'll not be a consideration man. They'll be looking for the best / most high profile teams, money, football issues & location. As it always is

 

[Reiver]

You talking to yourself again?

I was answering a question from Stevos who failed to use the quote properly ..... you're really struggling to score a point here mind.

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So if you can't believe what's said under oath there's no chance of people believing a statement or whatever is there?

"So people never lie in court, do they not?"

 

[Sima]

Dunno ask em why they let Barton play?

What does that have to do with this discussion apart from being a poor attempt to deflect?

 

[andymcnish]

Excellent post.

Except totally wrong..the code is very explicit about what a barrister can and can't do when a client has admitted guilt to him in private. He is allowed to let the defendant plead not guilty and put the prosecution to proof. But he isn't allowed to put forward facts inconsistent with the admission.
Delaying guilty pleas until the last moment has been standard practice for various reasons for at least the last 70 years

 

[Wearside Wanderer II]

A criminal, lying in court.

Have to say I'm not shocked like

 

[haway]

From UNISON's website.

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Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.

That's the legal angle. Johnson claimed innocence, the club sought independant legal advice as well as working with outside agencies regarding safeguarding, and of course the PFA were involved as well.

The employers hands were tied in relation to resolving the issue as swiftly as possible due it being a criminal investigation rather than a simple in-house issue. The review would have occurred after all relevant discussions between all parties had taken place and then it would have been decided the suspension would be lifted as legally, that's pretty much what they had to do.

You conveniently missed: You may be suspended on full pay if allegations of misconduct have been made against you and are being investigated. Suspension on full pay is not a punishment, but part of the investigation process in a disciplinary procedure for many employers.

Your employer should give you a clear reason for the suspension and explain what other options have been explored instead of suspension. If you are suspended because of allegations against you, you are entitled to know what the allegations are.

Suspended... while awaiting the outcome of criminal proceedings is so common it defies belief. It was a teacher, policeman, doctor, lawyer etc. up for this offence, what do you think would happen? You'd be suspended with pay.

 

[Sima]

From UNISON's website.

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Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.

That's the legal angle. Johnson claimed innocence, the club sought independant legal advice as well as working with outside agencies regarding safeguarding, and of course the PFA were involved as well.

The employers hands were tied in relation to resolving the issue as swiftly as possible due it being a criminal investigation rather than a simple in-house issue. The review would have occurred after all relevant discussions between all parties had taken place and then it would have been decided the suspension would be lifted as legally, that's pretty much what they had to do.

So they can suspend on full pay then? Like I said?

 

[theinediblebulk]

That's suspension WITHOUT pay. You can suspend with pay until the cows come home.

Only way you can suspend without pay is if it's written into the contract. As for length of suspension

Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.

From UNISON's wbsite.

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[Sima]

Only way you can suspend without pay is if it's written into the contract. As for length of suspension

Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.

From UNISON's wbsite.

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No one is suggesting he should have been suspended without pay.

 

[theinediblebulk]

You conveniently missed: You may be suspended on full pay if allegations of misconduct have been made against you and are being investigated. Suspension on full pay is not a punishment, but part of the investigation process in a disciplinary procedure for many employers.

Your employer should give you a clear reason for the suspension and explain what other options have been explored instead of suspension. If you are suspended because of allegations against you, you are entitled to know what the allegations are.

Suspended... while awaiting the outcome of criminal proceedings is so common it defies belief. It was a teacher, policeman, doctor, lawyer etc. up for this offence, what do you think would happen? You'd be suspended with pay.

No, i was just referring to length of time that suspension can be placed on someone, and it quite clearly states it has to be kept to a minimum and has to be reviewed. Just with people seeming to think you can suspend someone for however long you want, which isn't the case.

 

[sidneyeric]

I find the outrage quite baffling, I really couldn't give a shiney shite either way.