Legally we haven't done a thing wrong. Not a single chance of a points deduction or fine
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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict
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Legally we haven't done a thing wrong. Not a single chance of a points deduction or fine
sonson
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There's this thing called remorse and moral integrity. Admittedly pretty unfashionable these days in a society that values selfishish gain over everything else, but there was nonetheless the option of Doing The Decent Thing rather than committing a sexual offence on a minor then continuing on in the protection and employ of a job providing a multi million pound wage. A job at minimum wage in the same circumstances would be at risk, yet he earned more than most will do in their life as someone fully aware that they were a sex offender. It's hardly something to be blasé about man, if you have any interest or investment in the concept of justice.
So if you can't believe what's said under oath there's no chance of people believing a statement or whatever is there?
Don't forget dictating the PF email to the club
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Reiver
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Of course people lie in court, that was exactly my point.
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Mary Hinge
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Dunno ask em why they let Barton play?
In a crime of this severity its standard to suspend on full pay until the conclusion of the investigation.
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theinediblebulk
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From UNISON's website.
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Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.
That's the legal angle. Johnson claimed innocence, the club sought independant legal advice as well as working with outside agencies regarding safeguarding, and of course the PFA were involved as well.
The employers hands were tied in relation to resolving the issue as swiftly as possible due it being a criminal investigation rather than a simple in-house issue. The review would have occurred after all relevant discussions between all parties had taken place and then it would have been decided the suspension would be lifted as legally, that's pretty much what they had to do.
That's suspension WITHOUT pay. You can suspend with pay until the cows come home.
walesie
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It'll not be a consideration man. They'll be looking for the best / most high profile teams, money, football issues & location. As it always is
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Reiver
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You talking to yourself again?
I was answering a question from Stevos who failed to use the quote properly ..... you're really struggling to score a point here mind.
StevosMidfield
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So if you can't believe what's said under oath there's no chance of people believing a statement or whatever is there?
"So people never lie in court, do they not?"
What does that have to do with this discussion apart from being a poor attempt to deflect?
andymcnish
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Except totally wrong..the code is very explicit about what a barrister can and can't do when a client has admitted guilt to him in private. He is allowed to let the defendant plead not guilty and put the prosecution to proof. But he isn't allowed to put forward facts inconsistent with the admission.
Delaying guilty pleas until the last moment has been standard practice for various reasons for at least the last 70 years
Wearside Wanderer II
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A criminal, lying in court.
Have to say I'm not shocked like
Have to say I'm not shocked like
You conveniently missed: You may be suspended on full pay if allegations of misconduct have been made against you and are being investigated. Suspension on full pay is not a punishment, but part of the investigation process in a disciplinary procedure for many employers.
Your employer should give you a clear reason for the suspension and explain what other options have been explored instead of suspension. If you are suspended because of allegations against you, you are entitled to know what the allegations are.
Suspended... while awaiting the outcome of criminal proceedings is so common it defies belief. It was a teacher, policeman, doctor, lawyer etc. up for this offence, what do you think would happen? You'd be suspended with pay.
So they can suspend on full pay then? Like I said?
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theinediblebulk
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Only way you can suspend without pay is if it's written into the contract. As for length of suspension
Length of suspension: Your employer needs to do what they can to resolve the issue swiftly and keep the suspension to a minimum. Your employer should keep the suspension decision under review.
From UNISON's wbsite.
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No one is suggesting he should have been suspended without pay.
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theinediblebulk
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No, i was just referring to length of time that suspension can be placed on someone, and it quite clearly states it has to be kept to a minimum and has to be reviewed. Just with people seeming to think you can suspend someone for however long you want, which isn't the case.
sidneyeric
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I find the outrage quite baffling, I really couldn't give a shiney shite either way.
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