Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

[Cappuccino Kid]

This is what doesn't make any sense to me why would he sit there and tell the club yes I'm guilty I did this here is the evidence, but I'm pleading not guilty?

It's very strange. Surely, it could only have been about the money (from his perspective) and his value as a pro footballer (the club's perspective).

All parties will have known fine well his career as a professional footballer was over as soon as the guilty plea was entered - but he has in effect been able to take a further £2m - £3m 'retirement fund' during this period and contributed towards keeping the club in the PL.

His defence probably told him that even a late guilty plea on the two lesser charges would only give him a suspended sentence or short custodial...... Then he goes back to his mansion and millions of pounds in the bank.

Something just doesn't add up.

 

[Some Random Guy]

The stated in the strongest terms, they did know he was guilty..

No they f***ing haven't. How many times.

Relevant part of the statement.

The club did not give evidence either for the prosecution or the defence in this case. It was therefore not present in court when it is understood that a suggestion was made that the club knew all along that Mr. Johnson was intending to change his plea just before trial to enable him to continue to play football for the club and that the club may also have been involved in tactical discussions about the plea. This is utterly without foundation and is refuted in the strongest possible terms.

Nobody is accusing the club of knowing he was going to plead guilty.

 

[Cockney Mackem]

It's my honest opinion on both counts your honour.

It might well be your honest opinion but it doesn't stack up in any way to what the vast majority of people are saying in their criticisms of the club.

 

[Reiver]

People are discussing a point relating to their club, which is entertaining, however if they disagree with you they are just pontificating, attention seeking and wasting time. Reiver logic.

No they're not discussing a point at all, at least be reasonable man.

They're stating their case and arguing against anyone who disagrees, telling people they're burying their heads in the sand and ignoring anything that doesn't go along with their point of view. They're asking, in the wrong place, for something they know they won't get ...... I doubt they're doing it for entertainment whereas I'm honest enough to admit I am, whatever people think of that.

It might well be your honest opinion but it doesn't stack up in any way to what the vast majority of people are saying in their criticisms of the club.

FFS man

You're pulling me up and asking me to back up what I'm saying ........ then come out with absolute shite like that.

Seriously, you have to be on a wind up.

"I don't think you can back up your argument that people are only criticising the club for the sake of it. You certainly can't back up your statement that people would be disappointed if the club released a statement which clarified the position in a manner which showed they hadn't done anything wrong."

 

[Cockney Mackem]

No they're not discussing a point at all, at least be reasonable man.

They're stating there case and arguing against anyone who disagrees, telling people they're burying their heads in the sand and ignoring anything that doesn't go along with their point of view. They're asking, in the wrong place,for something they know they wont' get ...... I doubt they're doing it for entertainment whereas I'm honest enough to admit I am, whatever people think of that.



FFS man

You're pulling me up and asking me to back up what I'm saying ........ then come out with absolute shite like that.

Seriously, you have to be on a wind up.

"I don't think you can back up your argument that people are only criticising the club for the sake of it. You certainly can't back up your statement that people would be disappointed if the club released a statement which clarified the position in a manner which showed they hadn't done anything wrong."

Here's what I have said criticising the club. I believe what I have written here is fairly representative of the arguments put forward on this thread.

"The two statements that come out of the trial that needed to be addressed in the statement are that in about May last year:

• Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
• Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl

Neither of those statements are denied in the statement."

You have said that people saying these things on this thread are hysterical attention seekers, conspiracy theorists, only criticising the club for the sake of it, happy that the club is being pilloried in the media, and want this to be an issue when it isn't.

 

[walesie]

No they're not discussing a point at all, at least be reasonable man.

They're stating their case and arguing against anyone who disagrees, telling people they're burying their heads in the sand and ignoring anything that doesn't go along with their point of view. They're asking, in the wrong place, for something they know they won't get ...... I doubt they're doing it for entertainment whereas I'm honest enough to admit I am, whatever people think of that.

Stating their case & arguing is different from discussing how?

I'd be amazed if anyone is on here for anything other than their own 'entertainment'.

 

[Cappuccino Kid]

No they f***ing haven't. How many times.

Relevant part of the statement.


Nobody is accusing the club of knowing he was going to plead guilty.

Yet they were supposedly in receipt of messages where he asked how old the girl was.

So it's madness to think that a lot of experienced, qualified legal people reckoned he was going to pitch up at court and enter a Not Guilty plea with such compelling evidence against him.

Its sounds like a right f***ing mess from all involved.

 

[JimmyQuinn]

No, clowns because if you felt as strongly as you claim you wouldn't just be attention seeking on here.

Or do you really believe Short is clicking on all your posts

And yes, the majority of the wider public are immoral ...... they buy the papers to lap this shit up, fact.

How do you know I'm not just attention seeking on here? I've already advised you that there's a likelihood you'll see people do something at Southampton. A banner was half-unfurled at West Ham - don't be surprised to see something more vocal on Saturday.

The wider public didn't want to see him banged up then? It's all fun and games.

 

[10 Gary Rowells]

It's a very strange dance they were led upon when they had his whatsapps and police station interview, the former in which he was grooming the girl, and the latter where he admitted to kissing her, which were the two offences he pleaded guilty to.

Yes but he pleaded not guilty in court and the expectation was that he would plead not guilty in Crown Court. He supposedly changed his mind the day before he went to trial. So for 18 months, regardless of evidence, Johnson and his legal team told the club, the courts and the public they would be pleading not guilty, regardless of any evidence. It's quite apparent that this was misleading in order for Johnson to get full pay. Do not ignore the fact that under oath in the magistrates court and on the advice of his legal team he pleaded not guilty to all 4 charges.

 

[Reiver]

How do you know I'm not just attention seeking on here? I've already advised you that there's a likelihood you'll see people do something at Southampton. A banner was half-unfurled at West Ham - don't be surprised to see something more vocal on Saturday.

The wider public didn't want to see him banged up then? It's all fun and games.

Oh so now you're suggesting you're subliminally organising a protest at Southampton.

Well I can tell you I'll be quite happy to counter protest and won't hesitate to do so.

I was at West Ham and the banner was only half-unfurled because people, including me, strongly objected ......... see you there.

Any attention seekers wanting to disrupt an event people have travelled hundreds of miles to see may get something they don't want.

 

[redandwhiterob]

Yes but he pleaded not guilty in court and the expectation was that he would plead not guilty in Crown Court. He supposedly changed his mind the day before he went to trial. So for 18 months, regardless of evidence, Johnson and his legal team told the club, the courts and the public they would be pleading not guilty, regardless of any evidence. It's quite apparent that this was misleading in order for Johnson to get full pay. Do not ignore the fact that under oath in the magistrates court and on the advice of his legal team he pleaded not guilty to all 4 charges.

Johnson's ex girlfriend spoke under oath that he told her last September he was planning on pleading guilty to two counts

Imo the only reason he never pleaded guilty before was he was hoping to pay her off and put a gagging order on her. Only when this never happened he was left with no option but to plead guilty

 

[Market Where?]

They said in the statement they passed them straight on.

This bit didn't make sense to me. They seem to be saying that they were given documents in a meeting of Johnson, his QC and the CEO/SAFC. They immediately passed the documents to the QC. So who handed the documents to the CEO/SAFC?

 

[Rober33]

You said: 'He can't say anything that he suspects to be untrue if his client has insisted it's true.' ? That's what I was responding to.


The point stands though mate, a barrister can't put forward a case if their client has told them they're lying re is asking to lie on their behalf. If that's what you're disputing I can produce sources.



You could have a CCTV tape of me chopping someone's head off, I could say I'm not pleading not guilty. What I say I'm pleading doesn't take away from the evidence you have suggesting I've killed someone.

If I watched that tape then I might want to take a view on that. I might not watch the said CCTV tape if I believed it was best to let the professionals deal with a criminal case.

I might also decide it was best not to prejudge the case, could I conclude the CCTV footage was real? Would I know for certain it was you on the video? You killed someone but was it self defence?

It's easy to see why someone would think it's best to leave something like that to the professionals, especially if they're already working the case.

 

[Reiver]

Stating their case & arguing is different from discussing how?

I'd be amazed if anyone is on here for anything other than their own 'entertainment'.

Well there's the caped crusader, on this very page, organising a protest for a start.

 

[JimmyQuinn]

Oh so now you're suggesting you're subliminally organising a protest at Southampton.

Well I can tell you I'll be quite happy to counter protest and won't hesitate to do so.

I was at West Ham and the banner was only half-unfurled because people, including me, strongly objected ......... see you there.

Any attention seekers wanting to disrupt an event people have travelled hundreds of miles to see may get something they don't want.

Nope, I'm advising that the same people are likely to do similar.

But aye, you go around condemning freedom of speech, all in the name of a club that wouldn't give two fucks about you if the shoe was on the other foot. People have a right to air their views.

Edit: also, you sound like a bit of a moron. Encouraging people to 'do something about it' that isn't just on the internet. Then saying you'll restrict their right to do so. Fool.

 

[Reiver]

Here's what I have said criticising the club. I believe what I have written here is fairly representative of the arguments put forward on this thread.

"The two statements that come out of the trial that needed to be addressed in the statement are that in about May last year:

• Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
• Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl

Neither of those statements are denied in the statement."

You have said that people saying these things on this thread are hysterical attention seekers, conspiracy theorists, only criticising the club for the sake of it, happy that the club is being pilloried in the media, and want this to be an issue when it isn't.

Firstly, writing that on here is attention seeking, writing to the club is right and proper.

Secondly, what was that about the 'vast majority of people' you were claiming?

 

[The Sandance Kid]

It doesn't make sense, but unfortunately it also doesn't make sense to issue a statement conspicuously not denying that this is what's happened, in a statement responding to allegations made during the trial that this is exactly what happened.

It only makes sense if AJ thought it wouldn't go to court.

Maybe someone thought the girl might withdraw her complaint for some reason?

££££££

 

[Dogbark]

Here's what I have said criticising the club. I believe what I have written here is fairly representative of the arguments put forward on this thread.

"The two statements that come out of the trial that needed to be addressed in the statement are that in about May last year:

• Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
• Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl

Neither of those statements are denied in the statement."

You have said that people saying these things on this thread are hysterical attention seekers, conspiracy theorists, only criticising the club for the sake of it, happy that the club is being pilloried in the media, and want this to be an issue when it isn't.

 

[Must be bored]

Here's what I have said criticising the club. I believe what I have written here is fairly representative of the arguments put forward on this thread.

"The two statements that come out of the trial that needed to be addressed in the statement are that in about May last year:

• Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
• Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl

Neither of those statements are denied in the statement."

You have said that people saying these things on this thread are hysterical attention seekers, conspiracy theorists, only criticising the club for the sake of it, happy that the club is being pilloried in the media, and want this to be an issue when it isn't.

Is it claimed that he admitted to the club official that he'd committed an offence? To be an offence it also required him to not reasonably believe she was under 16 at the time, I've not read anything that suggests he told the club that he knew she was 15 at the time of doing it. That leads on to the second point about the messages. I don't know exactly what was said in his evidence but the only direct quote I've read of the What's App messages is that the club "were aware of the What'sApp messages". Assuming this isn't another lie, and there were plenty told by him, what does that even mean? Does it mean they were aware of the content in them or just that there were aware that the prosecution case included messages between them.

 

[redandwhiterob]

Nope, I'm advising that the same people are likely to do similar.

But aye, you go around condemning freedom of speech, all in the name of a club that wouldn't give two fucks about you if the shoe was on the other foot. People have a right to air their views.

Riv is the king of lauding his views on here and continually bumping threads to give us his opinions. Never letting nothing drop but dragging things on for days and days yet it seems people are somehow out of order in his eyes for wanting genuine concerns answered by the club

Hypocritical loudmouth gobshite imo